On Jul 8, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Jeroen van Veen wrote: > I guess the economy stuff can be used as karma system as well. It > doesn't need > to involve real money, to fit a purpose.
And it is simple to implement one, if you want one. Perhaps take the samplemoney module from an old svn rev, or the forge project that implemented money, and use it to run karma in your world. Make improvements as you see fit, and submit to forge if you want. If core doesn't provide some hooks you need, I'm sure those can be added. But probably they are there already 'cause at least those two implementations (have) exist(ed), so core is probably already up to it. As much it is for anything. I could visit a world that had karma, to see what is going on :) > Jeroen ~Toni > On Wednesday 08 July 2009 05:54:04 Stefan Andersson wrote: >> Rock, >> >> >> >> An implementation of a functional monetary system has been declared >> as out >> of scope for OpenSim. It is something that has to go into the custom >> implementation/third party provider layer. >> >> >> >> There is a live and ongoing discussion as of where to draw the line >> for >> what goes into the core, and what should be left to external module >> creators and custom implementation. >> >> >> >> It is within scope of OpenSim to provide hooks so that such a module, >> tailored for the specific use case, be created. >> >> >> >> As a project we need to draw a scope line somewhere, and often it's a >> case >> of weighting several variables against each other. >> >> >> >> In this case, it's been a long standing stance that implementation of >> a >> monetary system is outside of the scope of the OpenSim core >> distribution. >> >> >> >> We did provide the SampleMoneyModule, but the problem was that people >> was >> using this unsafe and immature example code directly in live and >> production >> environments. Though we could swear ourselves free from that with a >> "suit >> yourself, it was wholly at your own risk", it's not only a legal >> case, but >> also a case of us not wanting to expose our users to unsafe and >> immature >> code that could cause them direct economic damage. We generally don't >> want >> to take decisions for our users, but this one would be considered a >> real-world risk policy decision. >> >> >> >> I believe that the very absence of a money implementation outside of >> core >> would be an indication that it's right not having one inside; if >> there is >> no external module being maintained and used, it either means nobody >> see >> value enough to work on it, or that any implementation is too use case >> specific for there to be any value for the general public. >> >> >> >> At any rate, it is my opinion that the whole economy domain needs a >> lot >> more work and reach a much higher level of maturity before anything >> could >> be considered for inclusion into the core distribution. >> >> >> >> /Stefan >> >> >> >> From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de >> [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Colin B. >> Withers >> Sent: den 7 juli 2009 15:27 >> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Currency >> >> >> >> If ReactionGrid uses no currency, and has no plans to ever have it, >> and >> does not wish to get involded in virtual commerce, using either core >> solutions or external solutions, then indeed it is a 3D chatroom. 3D >> chatrooms are well suited to Educational purposes, and indeed my own >> Opensim grid has been used by a US college for educational purposes. >> >> >> >> However, for a virtual space to take on the mantle of a virtual >> world, then >> commerce is an essential element, and currency is essential to that. >> >> >> >> I think the argument that there is a risk in providing a currency >> module in >> core, from those who might complain "your code ate my money" is a >> specious >> argument. This charge could be levelled whenever opensim is used as a >> platform for a virtual world providing virtual real estate, for real >> world >> money (whether a currency module is implemented in core or external) >> as if >> the grid goes down due to software bugs the grid owner stands to lose >> rental income, or be liable for the claims of others. >> >> >> >> This can all be mitigated against (in territotories that allow it) by >> use >> of a carefully worded TOS. >> >> >> >> Should the development of opensim be halted because someone might >> claim >> "your software crashed my hard-drive, and I have lost US$$$" or "the >> bugs >> in your software have contributed to me losing several tenants this >> week, >> losing US$$$ in the process"? >> >> >> >> The software is used 'as is', with no claims as fitness for any >> particular >> purpose, and this would apply to any core currency module. >> >> >> >> Rock >> >> PS Another grid, that the owner ploughed 1000s of dollars into, has >> collapsed recently, due to lack of a viable currency solution. >> >> >> >> From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de >> [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Chris Hart >> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 3:50 PM >> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Currency >> >> >> >> Couldn't disagree more - ReactionGrid has no inworld currency and no >> plans >> to ever have it. Encouraging creativity, sharing, and collaborative >> learning has proved more than worthwhile to us. And quite frankly, the >> legal and tax issues around running a currency system should require >> dedicated qualified experts to manage correctly. You can do a huge >> amount >> without play money inworld - and if you want to pay someone money for >> a >> product, there are many solutions out there that are properly >> regulated by >> financial services authorities. >> >> >> >> Money should be something you can add in yourselves if you want >> (hence I >> believe it's on Forge these days), but I completely understand core >> developer reluctance to have code in trunk that could potentially >> come back >> to haunt with "your code ate my money" complaints. >> >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> From: Colin <mailto:colin.with...@eumetsat.int> B. Withers >> >> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 1:30 PM >> >> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >> >> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Currency >> >> >> >> Has this always been the case? Why was SampleMoney and OpenCurrency >> removed? >> >> Without currency opensim regions and grids devolve into nothing more >> than >> 3D chatrooms. >> >> Rock >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de >> [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Melanie >> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 11:47 AM >> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Currency >> >> OpenSim and the OpenSim project don't provide a grid currency >> implementation. >> >> Melanie >> >> Melvin Carvalho wrote: >>> Will currencies be distributed accross grids? >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 6:43 AM, Jason Fisher<bikc...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> Hi, as of revision 9000 or so, SAMPLEMONEY was removed, meaning my >>>> grid no longer has currency based of wiredux. I also saw >>>> OPENCURRENCY >>>> has been removed. I really want currncy on my grid, and need help. >>>> Anyone know something I can use on a later revision? 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