Thanks for your help here, I will check out these connectors, and assess the work involved.

From my perspective the web interface and authentication are critical; the two most significant aspects that impact upon my plans. I guess there is a problem in having the development resources to update the web interface. The other major issue mentioned by every organisation I have spoken to is security - but I know you intend to address this.

I can appreciate Mic's concern though as changes to the architecture and interfaces are especially expensive in development time - not a demand but it is a significant issue. Are some aspects of the interface more settled than others? I appreciate that this is a judgement call.

Mic do you know who else is doing work on PHP/Web Services?

Thanks once again.
Tom

On 5 Jan 2010, at 15:20, [email protected] wrote:

In my experience, no project is, or should be, 'stable' until it reaches 1.0. Before 1.0 people programming against the core code do it at their
own peril, and should not complain. It's completely unrealistic to
demand interface stability during early stages, and it's actually quite
harmful -- stabilizing on bad design is the worst that can happen to a
project. Even after 1.0, interfaces change. Just to point one among many
examples that I know first hand: Apache Lucene, changed dramatically
from 1.x to 2.0.

So I'm not sure what to tell you. Will the interfaces change? Most
likely. Will the pace of changes slow down over time? Definitely. When
is a good time for people to extend OpenSim 'safely'? Not before 1.0.


Mic Bowman wrote:
Do you expect those formalized interfaces to remain stable long enough to warrant the effort to create alternative implementations? Others have
provided alternative implementations in the past that quickly became
obsolete.

--mic


On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:17 PM, <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Putting PHP in front of the DBs is one of the most natural things to do from here on -- not just the things that Wiredux does, but for a lot
   more! In fact, the entire collection of OpenSim.Services that are
   provided as reference implementations can be replaced with
   implementations in Apache+PHP.

Calls from the simulators to the services are now all neatly packaged in
   OpenSim.Services.Connectors (these are the "out" connectors). Just
browse through those connectors and check out the wire protocols, then do the receiving end in PHP. Many of them are using standard web forms,
   others use XMLRPC, others use custom-made HTTP-based dialects.

   Calls from outside to the simulators are packaged in
OpenSim.Server.Handlers. Again, check them out and, if not using .NET, write your own client for them. If using .NET/mono you can import the DLL OpenSim.Connectors.dll, and reuse the existing connectors as- is.

But that's not all. Since now the interactions between the simulators
   and the resource services are all formalized in interfaces
(OpenSim.Services.Interfaces), and the handlers and connectors in the simulator are loaded dynamically, you can replace the connectors and handlers themselves. In other words, if you want OpenSim to talk web services, roll your own Web Services handlers and connectors under those interfaces, and you're done -- you'll have to use .NET for this part,
   though.

   Tom Willans wrote:
Hi,

First thanks for all your work.

I assume from this that the webredux will no longer work without
modification and will need updating. ( Thanks again here).
Is there any information about the new authentication approach
   anywhere,
if not in detail then an overview. Is LDAP on the horizon?

I am mostly interested in linking php based frontends to opensim and
hence accessing the database directly. Particularly relevant is
   moving
away from using UUIDs.
Please forgive me if I am missing something but I assume there are no web-services that can be called and calling C# from php is not a very
good solution.

Thanks.
Tom
On 5 Jan 2010, at 10:37, Ai Austin wrote:

At 18:32 04/01/2010, [email protected]
   <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
   <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
To be honest, I don't think Sqlite should be a database type
   that we
(OpenSim) should keep alive in the project,


It is useful to have a double click and go out of the box solution
which people can try out and test with.

One other use of SQLite that I am aware of and fine very useful is
for the really simple and handy single region hosted on your own
system that is connected to the New World Grid for any avatar using
the "New World Studio" packaged version of Opensim. See
http://www.newworldgrid.com/lang/en-us/land/free-land

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