On May 30, 2006, at 3:27 PM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
Given SUN's payment of $200million to SCO (for not alot of stuff
IMHO), the reliability of "SUN" as a "Linux partner" comes into
question - slam Linux, then provide middleware for it.
Do you mind not spreading absolute FUD? Do you have any sources? No.
You want to know why? Here:
SCO's regulatory filings showed the TOTAL VALUE of the Sun/MS deals
(with SCO) to be 13.2 million dollars. Sun was also offered the
opportunity to purchase 210,000 thousand shares of SCO at $1.83
($384,300 total.) I don't know if they exercised this option, but it
was available. Assuming they did, and assuming MS gave SCO $0, then
Sun (at most) gave SCO the 13.2 million + another $384,300. At
*most*. Here's one source:
http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/21894.html
Now, supposedly the licensing deal was 9.3 million. I can't verify
this, because I didn't see the report itself when it came out (and I
can't be bothered to research it) but assuming that figure is correct
(and we know the cap is 13.2 million) then Sun *at most* put $10
million into SCO. That's nothing, compared to costs of litigation and
so forth. It's a drop in the bucket. Here:
http://news.com.com/Fact+and+fiction+in+the+Microsoft-SCO
+relationship/2100-7344_3-5450515.html
Now, please, unless you want to back up your $200 million figure,
please go crawl back into the hole from which you came, with this
utterly ridiculous crap you are so keen to spread. It's really
getting old to listen to your constant attempted character
assassination of Sun, as if it's your mortal enemy. This discussion
list is here for people to discuss OSOL, in general, both positive
and negatives - CONSTRUCTIVELY. Simply flaming Sun and spouting
absolute nonsense doesn't fall into that kind of activity, and it
absolutely makes this mailing list painful to read at times. If you
don't have anything useful to say, simply say nothing. Nobody wants
to listen to FUD, and I don't want people who are here to learn about
OSOL and contribute to OSOL to have to deal with this kind of
silliness. Some people are going to assume what you say is true, and
get turned off to Sun, and OSOL. This is not cool. I don't like
spending my evenings reading inflammatory emails, with absolutely no
useful content, either. So please, either contribute to the community
in a positive manner, or don't bother.
If SUN wishes to get the OSS world to start using Studio 11 as the
compiler of choice for Linux, then SUN needs to mend ALOT of
bridges with the OSS community - how about offering a version for
FreeBSD, have double the participation?
I think this might be a good road to take in the future, but unless
some more evangelism goes on, nobody is going to have a clue what
Studio 11 is, much less know why they should use it over GCC. That's
the barrier to entry. People have to know it exists, and they have to
have a reason to use it. Making a FreeBSD port won't solve either of
these two problems. Now, once those two problems are sorted out, THEN
a FreeBSD port would be wonderful (I'm a long-time FreeBSD guy myself..)
<rant> As a side note, why the heck doesn't Sun opensource Java,
JFC! the money is made off the middleware, not the framework. As
for an "internal debate" - excuse me Johnnathon, but who is running
the company? make a damn decision, and those who don't like it,
show them the door.
This has been discussed to death, and you should watch the stuff from
the recent Java conference. There was clarification on this matter.
My understanding (hopefully correct) is the plan *is* to open-source
Java, it is being determined what the best route to take is that will
keep Java *Java* without a half-gazillion forks everywhere, and while
also pleasing the legal and economic beats inside Sun. This is a
*huge* undertaking, and it is not something that Sun can afford to
take lightly. I'd rather Sun sorts all this out, and open-sources
Java when it's ready, so I don't have to deal with the kinds of
problems that could emerge from poor planning.
Respectfully - but upset,
David
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