> On 8/24/06, Dan Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Thu 24 Aug 2006 at 12:35AM, Roland Mainz wrote: >> > > I have a couple of questions regarding the shape of the >> > > project:
< hack slash burn snip > > > Maybe IBM is right and Opensolaris is just a big FAKE project and > contributions by external persons are only taken if they please Sun Man, I don't know what to say really. On the one hand IBM tosses out some things about how the OpenSolaris project is all behind the firewall over at Sun. Anyone can look at the site and see that "Our lawyer is making us say that OpenSolaris is a trademark of Sun Microsystems, Inc." Anyone with half a wit can read that. Its a registered trademark of the big ol'profit seeking Sun and its shareholder and board of directors etc etc. Golly gee wiz wow. Who would have figured that a Silicon Valley giant could create a site and stick a trademark on it and then have the total intestinal fortitude to open source their crown jewel operating system along with the process that builds it! Yeah, anyone looking at that would surely think "damn Sun! look! look! they control everything!" I have no patience this morning. I have been awake all night long working with guys half way around the planet to get a new OpenSolaris based distro up and running on an dual CPU AMD64 box that is a hunk of junk. I spilled my coffee and I'm in a basement piled with junk and computer parts. Martin Bochnig is in Germany with piles of computers all around him in a tiny little apartment and James Dickens is in Milwaukee and walked and talked and chatted for ten hours or more to get this thing up and running. None of us work for Sun. Heck, none of us are really "working" bu anyones corporate definition of the term. But we sure as hell got this going last night : (snip) We were not paid by anybody and we don't work for Sun but we are all members of the OpenSolaris project and the source code comes from there. At least all the bits that are open but Martin had to hand craft an AMD64-bit version of the aperature driver and man, it works! There are a pile of Sun people working in this project and they have to fight internal battles daily. We don't see all that. The battles out here in the open source world are usually very transparent and visible and sometimes ugly. The GNOME 2.14 work at Blastwave is six weeks in and we still don't have it working real well. Heck, its cludgey. I was on the phone yesterday ( day before? I have lost days ) with Sun engineers in which we talked about the Apache 2.2 builds and OpenSSL issues and how can we push out optimal packages to the Solaris user world easily. We are workign together and we are definately enriching the whole user base in the Solaris world as well as Linux and the Apple users and whomever else decides to look at the source and adopt it. I don't know what else you were wanting. Now I'm dead blind tired and got to get a _pile_ of things done today but I wanted some sort of external non-Sun geek to let you know a different from the basement-pile-of-code perspective. (snip) Dennis Clarke ------------------------- Oh the tangled web..... Yet as for the comment about Blastwave's GNOME - a lot of the old problems are fixed or being fixed if you have access to the latest packages. Kludgey?? With those nice screenshots of KDE we were provided with, just see what MetaCity does for GNOME once the composition manager is enabled... Xgl, gotta love it... As for comments about Sun, everybody has a bone to pick these days. OpenSolaris was the rainbow bringing an 'enterprise-grade' OS to the opensource world. We had *BSD and Linux for a long time, now we have OpenSolaris distros running on production systems and bringing in the latest commercial compilers for free. I'm sure BSDi and a afew others missed that boat... Yes, we know the issue about those nasty trademarks yet I wouldn't want anyone putting my product name as their own - nevertheless a nice project name or idea as their own. Nasty legal issues. of course there could be some sort of loose trademark agreement so we wouldn't feel our lollipops tasted 'less sweet'... See what happens when you start saying OpenA*X 5L for SPARC... ~ Ken Mays __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
