On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 20:29 -0700, John Martinez wrote:
> On Jul 30, 2007, at 7:50 PM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 14:46 -0700, John Martinez wrote:
> >>
> >> I think a lot of people keep missing the point that Solaris' bread
> >> and butter is the enterprise server market. I don't know what the
> >> ratio of server to desktop installations is, but I'd guess that it's
> >> very tilted in one direction. Solaris shines on the server. Solaris
> >> can shine on the desktop, but that isn't its main focus.
> >>
> >> Solaris would have to break into a very crowded market and make a
> >> better GUI.
> >>
> >> Competition:
> >>
> >> Microsoft
> >> Apple
> >> Ubuntu
> >> SuSE
> >> others?
> >>
> >> You'd have to convince Sun that the desktop market is as, or more
> >> important than the server market that makes them their revenues.
> >>
> >> I love my Macs, but I'd rather have Solaris when I launch the
> >> Terminal application...
> >
> > Question: if Solaris runs on a server but is accessed by end users  
> > on a
> > Sun Ray - is it a desktop operating system for the end user?
> 
> I think so. But again, what is the install base of Sun Rays?

I'm saying to simply put it at the back and say, "server only" ignores
the fact that Solaris isn't a server only operating system.

> > Thats what annoys me, people who throw in the towel, throw up their
> > hands as if to say, "I give up!" when it comes to Solaris on the
> > desktop.
> >
> > The desktop isn't one big giant monolythic beast.
> 
> Who's throwing in the towel? Between Windows, Mac OS X and the Linux  
> distros, Solaris has got some tough competition. That is the reality  
> that I'm stating.

Assuming you don't look at the specifics. Stable driver API/ABI, a
compiler that doesn't royally suck and change C++ ABI every release. An
IDE which actually works out of the box with drag and drop development
rather than the mess there is with Glade which is a usability nightmare.

It is the little things when added up make for a big improvement over
Linux - like I said, are people so defeatist that they're going to throw
in the towel and say "I give up?" - is there some passion in his
discussion list?

Matthew

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