Mark,
Thank you for all the information. What I am trying to do is find a
consumer product name that can be easily associated with K8 vs K10
architectures. This is the issue for those purchasing machines to put
OpenSolaris on. When looking online, generally speaking the
architecture is not something that HP (or other system builder) puts on
it's sales material. I am just trying to find out as much information
as I can. When I last went to the AMD site, I could find stepping and
related information, but not what architecture each chip was based on.
If I missed that information, please point me in the right direction, it
would be greatly appreciated.
This is where I have been looking.
http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUFilter.aspx
I haven't been able to find any mention on any of the product pages for
these chips which arch they use. I am probably missing something. Any
help in pointing me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you again for your time.
-LSA
Mark Haywood wrote:
> I'm fairly certain that the Turion X2 and the Athlon X2 6000+ are both
> K8 based which means Solaris is not able to power manage them. The
> Athlon X2 6-series that I referred to are (from what I've read) a
> rebranding of the Phenom X2. That might have changed. The bottom line is
> that Solaris does not support CPU power management of K8 based
> processors, but does support CPU power management of K10 based processors.
>
> Mark
>
> list.serv.address wrote:
>> Mark,
>> Thanks for the information. Do you have any information about the
>> Turion X2? Are the TL-60 and up going to have the fix? I assume that
>> the Athlon X2 6000+ and up will have the fix. Thanks.
>>
>> -LSA
>>
>>
>> Mark Haywood wrote:
>>
>>> list.serv.address wrote:
>>>
>>>> On the topic,
>>>> Does anyone know if the new Phenom (Quad core AMD brand) chips
>>>> will have the same power stepping issues as the X2 AMD chips do?
>>>> Are any of the newer AMD X2 chip revisions going to fix this issue?
>>>>
>>> The Phenom Quad-Core processors are based on the K10
>>> microarchitecture (also known as Family 10h Processors) and should
>>> not have the TSC issues found with K8 (Family 0Fh Processors). I
>>> believe that the Athlon X2 6-series will be K10 based. Power
>>> management support for K10 processors integrated into Nevada build 80.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>> There is an issue with the AMDs TSC register that won't be fixed
>>>> in the current generation of chips. So, the general suggestion was
>>>> to stay away from purchasing the current AMD X2 procesors since they
>>>> will probably never support power management. The Intels are the
>>>> ones that are getting the attention with regards to power
>>>> management, since, if I understand the issue correctly, they do not
>>>> have the problem. If the newer AMD X2 chips fix this, the story may
>>>> change. See Casper's response attached.
>>>>
>>>> -LSA
>>>>
>>>> Attached: Casper's message on 06/13/2007 09:58 AM
>>>>
>>>> > >any ideas if in the future we could see powernowd supporting AMD
>>>> X2 or Opteron dual core systems ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Never" would be my best guess, for current hardware.
>>>>
>>>> The reason is that Solaris is heavily dependent on the TSC register
>>>> and expects the value of different CPUs to be in sync to a certain
>>>> degree (fixed difference).
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, with the current Dual Core AMD CPUs, the TSC register
>>>> varies with the clock frequencies; you can see in the current powernow
>>>> code that it goes through some pretty hairy loops to "make it right"
>>>> (much to the chagrin of DTrace which bypasses the standard calls and
>>>> can't be "made right" using a loadable kernel module)
>>>>
>>>> Solaris will shortly support clock switching on Intel Core-duo CPUs;
>>>> but no clock switching at all on AMD CPUs until newer CPUs are out.
>>>>
>>>> Casper
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ken mays wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> By the way,
>>>>>
>>>>> I should mention the newer 3-GHz Intel X6850 quad-processor before
>>>>> the sun goes down on my little part of the world. That may be the
>>>>> current contender for the AMD Phenom.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~ Ken
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: ken mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> To: Dennis Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Andrew Watkins
>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> Cc: [email protected]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:40:56 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Will OpenSolaris work on a intel
>>>>> desktop Quad processor
>>>>>
>>>>> Dennis,
>>>>>
>>>>> The 8-core single processor market dominates. You also have the new
>>>>> Quad-core AMD Phenom which will be officially out soon and the
>>>>> Intel Q6700 processor. A dual Quad-Core processor server will be a
>>>>> very nice machine for someone with the use.
>>>>>
>>>>> As my wallet bursts into flames, I'd look into those Quad
>>>>> processors for commodity sake...
>>>>>
>>>>> ~ Ken
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: Dennis Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> To: Andrew Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> Cc: [email protected]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:37:27 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Will OpenSolaris work on a intel
>>>>> desktop Quad processor
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am finally biting the bullet and ditching my work machine - a 9
>>>>>> year
>>>>>> old Ultra 10 - for a new system I thought I would go for the
>>>>>> fastest cpu
>>>>>> on the market.
>>>>>>
>>>>> At the risk of getting into endless loops of debates about "fast" I
>>>>> just
>>>>> have to ask why you think that is the fastest processor in the market?
>>>>>
>>>>> When you get it .. run the Radiance benchmark which is heavy number
>>>>> crunching and then we shall see. Thus far no one and nothing can
>>>>> touch an
>>>>> AMD Opteron running Solaris 10.
>>>>>
>>>>> see : http://www.blastwave.org/articles/BLS-0059/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>
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