Steve, We should not always ask "if this is a ruling from the TC", the default is that it's a discussion/exploration. If it is a "ruling", it won't be on a ML thread.
Thanks, Dims On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com> wrote: > Dims, > > The [tc] was in the subject tag, and the message was represented as > indicating some TC directive and has had several tc members comment on the > thread. I did nothing wrong. > > Regards > -steve > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Davanum Srinivas <dava...@gmail.com> > Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" > <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> > Date: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 4:34 AM > To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" > <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] > [tc][infra][release][security][stable][kolla][loci][tripleo][docker][kubernetes] > do we want to be publishing binary container images? > > Why drag TC into this discussion Steven? If the TC has something to > say, it will be in the form of a resolution with topic "formal-vote". > So please Stop! > > Thanks, > Dims > > On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 12:22 AM, Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com> > wrote: > > Flavio, > > > > Forgive the top post – outlook ftw. > > > > I understand the concerns raised in this thread. It is unclear if this > thread is the feeling of two TC members or enough TC members care deeply > about this issue to permanently limit OpenStack big tent projects’ ability to > generate container images in various external artifact storage systems. The > point of discussion I see effectively raised in this thread is “OpenStack > infra will not push images to dockerhub”. > > > > I’d like clarification if this is a ruling from the TC, or simply an > exploratory discussion. > > > > If it is exploratory, it is prudent that OpenStack projects not be > blocked by debate on this issue until the TC has made such ruling as to > banning the creation of container images via OpenStack infrastructure. > > > > Regards > > -steve > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Flavio Percoco <fla...@redhat.com> > > Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage > questions)" <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> > > Date: Monday, May 15, 2017 at 7:00 PM > > To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" > <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> > > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] > [tc][infra][release][security][stable][kolla][loci][tripleo][docker][kubernetes] > do we want to be publishing binary container images? > > > > On 15/05/17 12:32 -0700, Michał Jastrzębski wrote: > > >On 15 May 2017 at 12:12, Doug Hellmann <d...@doughellmann.com> > wrote: > > > > [huge snip] > > > > >>> > I'm raising the issue here to get some more input into how to > > >>> > proceed. Do other people think this concern is overblown? Can > we > > >>> > mitigate the risk by communicating through metadata for the > images? > > >>> > Should we stick to publishing build instructions > (Dockerfiles, or > > >>> > whatever) instead of binary images? Are there other options I > haven't > > >>> > mentioned? > > >>> > > >>> Today we do publish build instructions, that's what Kolla is. > We also > > >>> publish built containers already, just we do it manually on > release > > >>> today. If we decide to block it, I assume we should stop doing > that > > >>> too? That will hurt users who uses this piece of Kolla, and I'd > hate > > >>> to hurt our users:( > > >> > > >> Well, that's the question. Today we have teams publishing those > > >> images themselves, right? And the proposal is to have infra do > it? > > >> That change could be construed to imply that there is more of a > > >> relationship with the images and the rest of the community > (remember, > > >> folks outside of the main community activities do not always make > > >> the same distinctions we do about teams). So, before we go ahead > > >> with that, I want to make sure that we all have a chance to > discuss > > >> the policy change and its implications. > > > > > >Infra as vm running with infra, but team to publish it can be Kolla > > >team. I assume we'll be responsible to keep these images healthy... > > > > I think this is the gist of the concern and I'd like us to focus on > it. > > > > As someone that used to consume these images from kolla's dockerhub > account > > directly, I can confirm they are useful. However, I do share Doug's > concern and > > the impact this may have on the community. > > > > From a release perspective, as Doug mentioned, we've avoided > releasing projects > > in any kind of built form. This was also one of the concerns I > raised when > > working on the proposal to support other programming languages. The > problem of > > releasing built images goes beyond the infrastructure requirements. > It's the > > message and the guarantees implied with the built product itself > that are the > > concern here. And I tend to agree with Doug that this might be a > problem for us > > as a community. Unfortunately, putting your name, Michal, as > contact point is > > not enough. Kolla is not the only project producing container > images and we need > > to be consistent in the way we release these images. > > > > Nothing prevents people for building their own images and uploading > them to > > dockerhub. Having this as part of the OpenStack's pipeline is a > problem. > > > > Flavio > > > > P.S: note this goes against my container(ish) interests but it's a > > community-wide problem. > > > > -- > > @flaper87 > > Flavio Percoco > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > > Unsubscribe: > openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > > -- > Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims > > __________________________________________________________________________ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
