On 2018-03-08 01:24 PM, Jay S Bryant wrote:
On 3/8/2018 12:22 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:
On 2018-03-08 09:03 AM, Jens Harbott wrote:
With the current PTG just finished and seeing discussions happen about
the format of the next[0], it seems that the advantages of these seem
to be pretty clear to most, so let me use the occasion to remind
everyone of the disadvantages.
Every meeting that is happening is excluding those contributors that
can not attend it. And with that it is violating the fourth Open
principle[1], having a community that is open to everyone. If you are
wondering whom this would affect, here's a non-exclusive (sic) list of
valid reasons not to attend physical meetings:
- Health issues
- Privilege issues (like not getting visa or travel permits)
- Caretaking responsibilities (children, other family, animals, plants)
- Environmental concerns
I'll add dislike for travel, which affects some of our contributors.
So when you are considering whether it is worth the money and effort
to organise PTGs or similar events, I'd like you also to consider
those being excluded by such activities. It is not without a reason
that IRC and emails have been settled upon as preferred means of
communication. I'm not saying that physical meetings should be dropped
altogether, but maybe more effort can be placed into providing means
of remote participation, which might at least reduce some effects.
[0]
http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/127991.html
[1] https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/opens.html
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Keep in mind that the alternative to the Project Teams Gathering is
not no Project Teams Gathering, it is projects meeting face-to-face
after each of them organizied their own meeting. These used to be
called mid-cycle meetups and the majority of them used to be held in
the United States. Now I can't predict what will happen in the future,
but should there be a void in frequency of face-to-face meetings that
the PTG is currently filling, I would not be surprised to see
individual projects plan their own face-to-face meetings of some kind
regardless of what they are called.
Thank you,
Anita
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Anita,
We have already discussed this with the Cinder team and agreed that we
would want to go back to our mid-cycles in the absence of a PTG.
Jay
(jungleboyj)
Thanks for sharing the data point Jay,
Anita
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