On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 7:06 PM Anne Bertucio <a...@openstack.org> wrote:
> I though I remember someone (annabelleB?) saying there were known issues > (technical or otherwise) regarding the official channels spun up by the > Foundation. > > > Two separate issues that perhaps got mashed together :) > > Unofficial WeChat channels are limited to ~500 participants and are > invite-only. That makes a few challenges for a community of our size (much > more than 500!). Official subscription channels don’t have these > limitations, but there’s a lengthy process to get one. It’s currently in > progress (unfortunately I don’t think we have an ETA beyond “in progress” > at this point—more than one month; less than six months?). > Weird! Isn't Tencent a platinum sponsor? Can we please ask them for help move this forward? (cc'ing Ruan He) -- Dims > > Anne Bertucio > OpenStack Foundation > a...@openstack.org | irc: annabelleB > > > > > > On Sep 17, 2018, at 2:56 PM, Lance Bragstad <lbrags...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 1:42 PM Mohammed Naser <mna...@vexxhost.com> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On that note, is there any way to get an 'invite' onto those channels? >> >> Any information about the foundation side of things about the >> 'official' channels? >> > > I actually have a question about this as well. During the TC discussion > last Friday there was representation from the Foundation in the room. I > though I remember someone (annabelleB?) saying there were known issues > (technical or otherwise) regarding the official channels spun up by the > Foundation. > > Does anyone know what issues were being referred to here? > > >> >> Thanks, >> Mohammed >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 3:28 PM Samuel Cassiba <sam...@cassi.ba> wrote: >> > >> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 6:58 AM Sylvain Bauza <sylvain.ba...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Le lun. 17 sept. 2018 à 15:32, Jeremy Stanley <fu...@yuggoth.org> a >> écrit : >> > >> >> > >> On 2018-09-16 14:14:41 +0200 (+0200), Jean-philippe Evrard wrote: >> > >> [...] >> > >> > - What is the problem joining Wechat will solve (keeping in mind >> the >> > >> > language barrier)? >> > >> >> > >> As I understand it, the suggestion is that mere presence of project >> > >> leadership in venues where this emerging subset of our community >> > >> gathers would provide a strong signal that we support them and care >> > >> about their experience with the software. >> > >> >> > >> > - Isn't this problem already solved for other languages with >> > >> > existing initiatives like local ambassadors and i18n team? Why >> > >> > aren't these relevant? >> > >> [...] >> > >> >> > >> It seems like there are at least couple of factors at play here: >> > >> first the significant number of users and contributors within >> > >> mainland China compared to other regions (analysis suggests there >> > >> were nearly as many contributors to the Rocky release from China as >> > >> the USA), but second there may be facets of Chinese culture which >> > >> make this sort of demonstrative presence a much stronger signal than >> > >> it would be in other cultures. >> > >> >> > >> > - Pardon my ignorance here, what is the problem with email? (I >> > >> > understand some chat systems might be blocked, I thought emails >> > >> > would be fine, and the lowest common denominator). >> > >> >> > >> Someone in the TC room (forgive me, I don't recall who now, maybe >> > >> Rico?) asserted that Chinese contributors generally only read the >> > >> first message in any given thread (perhaps just looking for possible >> > >> announcements?) and that if they _do_ attempt to read through some >> > >> of the longer threads they don't participate in them because the >> > >> discussion is presumed to be over and decisions final by the time >> > >> they "reach the end" (I guess not realizing that it's perfectly fine >> > >> to reply to a month-old discussion and try to help alter course on >> > >> things if you have an actual concern?). >> > >> >> > > >> > > While I understand the technical issues that could be due using IRC >> in China, I still don't get why opening the gates and saying WeChat being >> yet another official channel would prevent our community from fragmenting. >> > > >> > > Truly the usage of IRC is certainly questionable, but if we have >> multiple ways to discuss, I just doubt we could prevent us to silo >> ourselves between our personal usages. >> > > Either we consider the new channels as being only for southbound >> communication, or we envisage the possibility, as a community, to migrate >> from IRC to elsewhere (I'm particulary not fan of the latter so I would >> challenge this but I can understand the reasons) >> > > >> > > -Sylvain >> > > >> > >> > Objectively, I don't see a way to endorse something other than IRC >> > without some form of collective presence on more than just Wechat to >> > keep the message intact. IRC is the official messaging platform, for >> > whatever that's worth these days. However, at present, it makes less >> > and less sense to explicitly eschew other outlets in favor. From a >> > Chef OpenStack perspective, the common medium is, perhaps not >> > unsurprising, code review. Everything else evolved over time to be >> > southbound paths to the code, including most of the conversation >> > taking place there as opposed to IRC. >> > >> > The continuation of this thread only confirms that there is already >> > fragmentation in the community, and that people on each side of the >> > void genuinely want to close that gap. At this point, the thing to do >> > is prevent further fragmentation of the intent. It is, however, far >> > easier to bikeshed over which platform of choice. >> > >> > At present, it seems a collective presence is forming ad hoc, >> > regardless of any such resolution. With some additional coordination >> > and planning, I think that there could be something that could scale >> > beyond one or two outlets. >> > >> > Best, >> > Samuel >> > >> > >> __________________________________________________________________________ >> > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) >> > Unsubscribe: >> openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe >> <http://openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org/?subject:unsubscribe> >> > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >> >> >> >> -- >> Mohammed Naser — vexxhost >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> D. 514-316-8872 >> D. 800-910-1726 ext. 200 >> E. mna...@vexxhost.com >> W. http://vexxhost.com >> >> __________________________________________________________________________ >> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) >> Unsubscribe: >> openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe >> <http://openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org/?subject:unsubscribe> >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >> > __________________________________________________________________________ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > -- Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims
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