On 27/05/15 11:30 -0400, Nikhil Komawar wrote:
I kinda agree with all 3 of you, possibly because there are Grey areas on how best we can actually do this. We are talking about one cycle ahead to the very least. While that is a great thing to do, I think we should focus on making the current Artifacts implementation stable & bring it to a state that it works great with the different data asset requirements within OpenStack realm (to support the main motivation behind this concept and Glance's mission statement).

That's the fun thing the Artifacts work. We can't just make it work
well without having this migration plan in mind (at least in the
reviewers mind) because I believe there are areas where, depending on
the transition plan, the work on artifacts won't be as straightforward
as we'd like.

Flavio


Cheers
Nikhil

On 5/27/15 8:30 AM, Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
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Jesse, you beat me on this one :)

On 26/05/15 13:54 -0400, Nikhil Komawar wrote:
Thank you Jesse for your valuable input (here and at the summit) as
well as intent to clarify the discussion.

Just trying to ensure people are aware about the EXPERIMENTAL nature of
the v3 API and reasons behind it. Please find my responses in-line.
However, I do want to ensure you all, that we will strive hard to move
away from the EXPERIMENTAL nature and go with a rock solid
implementation as and when interest grows in the code-base (that helps
stabilize it).
On 5/26/15 12:57 PM, Jesse Cook wrote:


   On 5/22/15, 4:28 PM, "Nikhil Komawar" <[email protected]>
wrote:

       Hi all,

       tl;dr; Artifacts IS staying in Glance.

        1. We had a nice discussion at the contributors' meet-up at the
           Vancouver summit this morning. After weighing in many possibilities
           and evolution of the Glance program, we have decided to go ahead
           with the Artifacts implementation within Glance program under the
           EXPERIMENTAL v3 API.

   Want to clarify a bit here. My understanding is: s/Artifacts/v3 API/g. That
   is to say, Artifacts is the technical implementation of the v3 API. This
   also means the v3 API is an objects API vs just an images API.


Generic "data assets'" API would be a nice term along the lines of the
mission statement. Artifacts seemed fitting as that was the focus of
discussion at various sessions.
Regardless of how we call it, I do appreciate the clarity on the fact that
Artifacts - data assests - is just the technical implementation of what will be
Glance's API v3. It's an important distinction to avoid sending the wrong
message on what it's going to be done there.

   We also had some hallway talk about putting the v1 and v2 APIs on top of
   the v3 API. This forces faster adoption, verifies supportability via v1 and
   v2 tests, increases supportability of v1 and v2 APIs, and pushes out the
   need to kill v1 API.

Let's discuss more as time and development progresses on that
possibility. v3 API should stay EXPERIMENTAL for now as that would help
us understand use-cases across programs as it gets adopted by various
code-bases. Putting v1/v2 on top of v3 would be tricky for now as we
may have breaking changes with code being relatively-less stable due to
narrow review domain.

I actually think we'd benefit more from having V2 on top of V3 than not doing
it. I'd probably advocate to make this M material rather than L but I think it'd
be good.
We perhaps would, but that would realistically push v2 adoption across the 
projects to somewhere around O release. Just looking how long it took the v2 
code base to mature enough that we're seriously talking moving to use that in 
production.
I think regardless of what we do, I'd like to kill v1 as it has a sharing model
that is not secure.
The above would postpone this one somewhere around Q-R (which is btw. not so 
far from U anymore).

More I think about this the more convinced I am about focusing to the move to 
v2 on our consumers, deprecating the v1 out and after that we can start talking 
about moving v2 on top of the v3 codebase if possible, not other way around 
hoping that it would speed up the v3 adoption.

- Erno
Flavio

        1.
        2. The effort would primarily be conducted as a sub-team-like
           structure within the program and the co-coordinators and drivers of
           the necessary Artifacts features would be given core-reviewer
           status temporarily with an informal agreement to merge code that is
           only related to Artifacts.
        3. The entire Glance team would give reviews as time and priorities
           permit. The approval (+A/+WorkFlow) of any code within the
program
           would need to come from core-reviewers who are not temporarily
           authorized. The list of such individuals and updated time-line
           would be documented in phases during the course of Liberty cycle.
        4. We will continue to evaluate & update the governance, maturity of
           the code and future plans for the v1, v2 and v3 Glance APIs as time
           progresses. However, for now we are aiming to integrate all of
           Glance (specifically Images) as Artifacts in the v3 API.


   As I understand it, that is to say that v3 requests in the first
   “micro-version” that specify the object type as image would get a not
   implemented or similar error. The next next “micro-version” would likely
   contain the support for images along with possibly implementing the v1
and
   v2 APIs on top of v3.

As we will have EXPERIMENTAL v3 API, we should try to avoid micro-
versions.
However, we should soon consider this as a possibility once things seem
to stabilize.

        1.
       Special thanks to Flavio for providing DefCore and TC perspective as
       well as initializing this discussion. Also, thanks to Stuart McLaren
       and Brian Rosmaita for giving us thoughtful veteran feedback. The
       entire team did a great job at putting all their questions and concerns
       amicably on the table and came to a good understanding of the plan
and
       level of commitment.

       All the best to the Project SearchLight team who have decided to start
       ElasticSearch based development for search functionality in OpenStack
       as a separate program and would be porting respective code out of
       Glance. Glance team would help co-ordinate this porting effort in order
       to avoid destabilizing Images and MetaDefs code-bases.

       This also means we will re-evaluate some of the existing spec proposals
       and most likely not ask people for radical changes in their approach.
       This first phase of the Liberty cycle would focus on seeing the
       Experimental Artifacts API through. We will also focus on stability
       aspects of the Images (v1 & v2) related features. The second phase
       priorities would be decided at the mid-cycle meet-up (details to come
       out soon).

       Feel free to ask me questions on IRC or via email.

       Cheers,
       Nikhil




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