-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi All
On 27/05/15 09:14, Thomas Goirand wrote: > tl;dr: - We'd like to push distribution packaging of OpenStack on > upstream gerrit with reviews. - The intention is to better share > the workload, and improve the overall QA for packaging *and* > upstream. - The goal is *not* to publish packages upstream - > There's an ongoing discussion about using stackforge or openstack. > This isn't, IMO, that important, what's important is to get > started. - There's an ongoing discussion about using a distribution > specific namespace, my own opinion here is that using > /openstack-pkg-{deb,rpm} or /stackforge-pkg-{deb,rpm} would be the > most convenient because of a number of technical reasons like the > amount of Git repository. - Finally, let's not discuss for too long > and let's do it!!! While working to re-align the dependency chain for OpenStack between Debian and Ubuntu 15.10, and in preparation for the first Liberty milestone, my team and I have been reflecting on the proposal to make Ubuntu and Debian packaging of OpenStack a full OpenStack project. We’ve come to the conclusion that for Debian and Ubuntu the best place for us to collaborate on packaging is actually in the distributions, as we do today, and not upstream in OpenStack. Ubuntu has collaborated effectively with Debian since its inception and has an effective set of tools to support the flow of packaging (from Debian), bug reports and patches (to Debian) that have proven effective, in terms of both efficiency and value, ever since I’ve been working across both distributions. This process allows each distribution to maintain its own direction, whilst ensuring that any value that might be derived from collaboration is supported with as minimal overhead as possible. We understand and have communicated from the start of this conversation that we will need to be able to maintain deltas between Debian and Ubuntu - for both technical reasons, in the way the distributions work (think Ubuntu main vs universe), as well as objectives that each distribution has in terms of the way packaging should work. We don’t think that’s going to be made any easier by moving all of the packaging under the OpenStack project - it just feels like we’re trying to push a solved problem somewhere else, and then re-solve it in a whole new set of ways. The problem of managing delta and allowing a good level of distribution independence is still going to continue to exist and will be more difficult to manage due to the tighter coupling of development process and teams than we have today. On this basis, we're -1 on taking this proposal forward. That said, we do appreciate that the Ubuntu packaging for OpenStack is not as accessible as it might be using Bazaar as a VCS. In order to provide a more familiar experience to developers and operators looking to contribute to the wider Openstack ecosystem we will be moving our OpenStack packaging branches over to the new Git support in Launchpad in the next few weeks. Regards James - -- James Page Ubuntu and Debian Developer james.p...@ubuntu.com jamesp...@debian.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJVfudNAAoJEL/srsug59jD2isQAKtp9gSQ7FC0dy664wkSIqp3 ztmtIGPu5k0kZsg0sSxie3lA6mmRtv0m3sZWweNXfObXKwrWSgJSNynYDOhhiC7u zlijQwEoY264byd7I+qacCdGBPi8fkXImB+6yx6OdJuHO+DcF/lBhF/5XW+wEwMa j5GLN/UML+AO/Vp1BNBWholdCy/vm8SYDWtD3952R3fasBusCzpGj/52Pe3JifV6 kYWhnoihSQn+U02SXUc4/JETl/3o94EKp5/eu9We49sEdgHudSF3o6MdyLom2NfM BNMpWs4iNWz7BlgqoDULotrFORRjQawru9R5StouB+wORUJrgVG+5lFINiR4RA+h EMGXAshda+xwqm3KrdtHDLHRgFyfYov6w7s+caUMyV7gky1zmrB/NR+vG8Di2U2/ wyK+4y/c/Qt1CFhZSmuZ0zqzRzX7J2oxlT4P9FVdapnL5AYfXe6hZWhHJERjXmeS GPovCQO/tBqRUiL9RwX6rcYbxykh9oseP4yxp5QZwLIO7cuIaStgMIN8z1vpZoBf r7l3Bbd+ppRcq8NDqa7elRP0uiHm0wg7gMMcMWJJOJMU2Jm5DAw7PvZSA2FbksDL Cu8WAloTsFCg11at6oTz6IcxdXsXTkpNp8O8Qv2yICj3Kw7gwX22Mc4V/CclrtFp 8lKFkTacJVbMkihgOFpu =QN+b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev