On Sep 11, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Shamail Tahir <itzsham...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Joshua Harlow <harlo...@outlook.com > <mailto:harlo...@outlook.com>> wrote: > Hi all, > > I was reading over the TC IRC logs for this week (my weekly reading) and I > just wanted to let my thoughts and comments be known on: > > http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-09-08-20.01.log.html#l-309 > > <http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-09-08-20.01.log.html#l-309> > > I feel it's very important to send a positive note for new/upcoming projects > and libraries... (and for everyone to remember that most projects do start > off with a small set of backers). So I just wanted to try to ensure that we > send a positive note with any tag like this that gets created and applied and > that we all (especially the TC) really really considers the negative > connotations of applying that tag to a project (it may effectively ~kill~ > that project). > > I would really appreciate that instead of just applying this tag (or other > similarly named tag to projects) that instead the TC try to actually help out > projects with those potential tags in the first place (say perhaps by > actively listing projects that may need more contributors from a variety of > companies on the openstack blog under say a 'HELP WANTED' page or something). > I'd much rather have that vs. any said tags, because the latter actually > tries to help projects, vs just stamping them with a 'you are bad, figure out > how to fix yourself, because you are not diverse' tag. > > I believe it is the TC job (in part) to help make the community better, and > not via tags like this that IMHO actually make it worse; I really hope that > folks on the TC can look back at their own projects they may have created and > ask how would their own project have turned out if they were stamped with a > similar tag…
First, strongly agree: Tags should be positive attributes or encouragement, not negative or discouraging. I think they should also be as objectively true as possible. Which Monty Taylor said later[1] in the discussion and Jay Pipes reiterated[2]. > I agree with Josh and, furthermore, maybe a similar "warning" could be > implicitly made by helping the community understand why the > "diverse-affiliation" tag matters. If we (through education on tags in > general) stated that the reason diverse-affiliation matters, amongst other > things, is because it shows that the project can potentially survive a single > contributor changing their involvement then wouldn't that achieve the same > purpose of showing stability/mindshare/collaboration for projects with > diverse-affiliation tag (versus those that don't have it) and make them more > "preferred" in a sense? I think I agree with others, most notably Doug Hellman[3] in the TC discussion; we need a marker of the other end of the spectrum. The absence of information is only significant if you know what’s missing and it’s importance. Separately, I agree that more education around tags and their importance is needed. I understand the concern is that we want to highlight the need for diversity, and I believe that instead of “danger-not-diverse” we’d be better served by “increase-diversity” or “needs-diversity” as the other end of the spectrum from “diverse-affiliation.” And I’ll go rant on the review now[4]. =] —j [1] http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-09-08-20.01.log.html#l-378 <http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-09-08-20.01.log.html#l-378> [2] http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-09-08-20.01.log.html#l-422 <http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-09-08-20.01.log.html#l-422> [3] http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-09-08-20.01.log.html#l-330 <http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-09-08-20.01.log.html#l-330> [4] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218725/ <https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218725/>
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