On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Jim Meyer <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sep 11, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Shamail Tahir <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Joshua Harlow <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I was reading over the TC IRC logs for this week (my weekly reading) and >> I just wanted to let my thoughts and comments be known on: >> >> >> http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-09-08-20.01.log.html#l-309 >> >> I feel it's very important to send a positive note for new/upcoming >> projects and libraries... (and for everyone to remember that most projects >> do start off with a small set of backers). So I just wanted to try to >> ensure that we send a positive note with any tag like this that gets >> created and applied and that we all (especially the TC) really really >> considers the negative connotations of applying that tag to a project (it >> may effectively ~kill~ that project). >> >> I would really appreciate that instead of just applying this tag (or >> other similarly named tag to projects) that instead the TC try to actually >> help out projects with those potential tags in the first place (say perhaps >> by actively listing projects that may need more contributors from a variety >> of companies on the openstack blog under say a 'HELP WANTED' page or >> something). I'd much rather have that vs. any said tags, because the latter >> actually tries to help projects, vs just stamping them with a 'you are bad, >> figure out how to fix yourself, because you are not diverse' tag. >> >> I believe it is the TC job (in part) to help make the community better, >> and not via tags like this that IMHO actually make it worse; I really hope >> that folks on the TC can look back at their own projects they may have >> created and ask how would their own project have turned out if they were >> stamped with a similar tag… > > > First, strongly agree: > > *Tags should be positive attributes or encouragement, not negative or > discouraging. *I think they should also be as objectively true as > possible. Which Monty Taylor said later[1] in the discussion and Jay Pipes > reiterated[2]. > > I agree with Josh and, furthermore, maybe a similar "warning" could be > implicitly made by helping the community understand why the > "diverse-affiliation" tag matters. If we (through education on tags in > general) stated that the reason diverse-affiliation matters, amongst other > things, is because it shows that the project can potentially survive a > single contributor changing their involvement then wouldn't that achieve > the same purpose of showing stability/mindshare/collaboration for projects > with diverse-affiliation tag (versus those that don't have it) and make > them more "preferred" in a sense? > > > I think I agree with others, most notably Doug Hellman[3] in the TC > discussion; we need a marker of the other end of the spectrum. The absence > of information is only significant if you know what’s missing and it’s > importance. > > Separately, I agree that more education around tags and their importance > is needed. > > I understand the concern is that we want to highlight the need for > diversity, and I believe that instead of “danger-not-diverse” we’d be > better served by “increase-diversity” or “needs-diversity” as the other end > of the spectrum from “diverse-affiliation.” And I’ll go rant on the review > now[4]. =] > Thank you for actually providing a review of the patch. I will respond to the feedback in gerrit. > > —j > > [1] > http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-09-08-20.01.log.html#l-378 > [2] > http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-09-08-20.01.log.html#l-422 > [3] > http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-09-08-20.01.log.html#l-330 > [4] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218725/ > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: [email protected]?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > >
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