Sean Dague wrote:
On 11/05/2015 06:00 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Hayes, Graham wrote:
On 04/11/15 20:04, Ed Leafe wrote:
On Nov 3, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Davanum Srinivas<dava...@gmail.com> wrote:
Here's a Devstack review for zookeeper in support of this initiative:
https://review.openstack.org/241040
Thanks,
Dims
I thought that the operators at that session made it very clear that they would
*not* run any Java applications, and that if OpenStack required a Java app to
run, they would no longer use it.
I like the idea of using Zookeeper as the DLM, but I don't think it should be
set up as a default, even for devstack, given the vehement opposition expressed.
-- Ed Leafe
I got the impression that there was *some* operators that wouldn't run
java.
I feel like I'd like to see that with data. Because every Ops session
I've been in around logging and debugging has had nearly everyone raise
their hand that they are running the ELK stack for log analysis. So they
are all running Java already.
I would absolutely hate to have some design point get made based on
rumors from ops and "java is icky" sentiment from the dev space.
Defaults matter, because it means you get a critical mass of operators
running similar configs, and they can build and share knowledge. For all
of the issues with Rabbit, it has demonstrably been good to have
collaboration in the field between operators that have shared patterns
and fed back the issues. So we should really say Zookeeper is the
default choice, even if there are others people could choose that have
extra mustachy / monocle goodness.
+1 from me
I mean I get that there will be some person out there that will say 'no
icky thats java' but said type of people will *always* exist, no matter
what the situation and if we are basing sound technical decisions on
that one (and/or small set of people) person it makes me wonder what the
heck we are doing...
Because that's totally crazy (IMHO). After a while we need to listen to
the 99% and make a solution targeted at them, and accept that we will
not make 100% of people happy all the time. This is why I personally
like being opinionated and I think/thought that openstack as a group had
matured enough to do this (but I see that it still isn't ready to do this).
My 2 cents,
-Josh
-Sean
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