On 16/06/16 23:04, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
On 2016-06-16 16:04:28 -0400 (-0400), Steve Gordon wrote:
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This is definitely a point worth clarifying in the general case,
but tangentially for the specific case of the RHEL operating
system please note that RHEL is available to developers for free:

     http://developers.redhat.com/products/rhel/get-started/
     http://developers.redhat.com/articles/no-cost-rhel-faq/

This is a *relatively* recent advancement so I though I would
mention it as folks may not be aware.

Just to clarify, this is free-as-in-beer (gratis) and not
free-as-in-speech (libre)? If so, that's still proprietary so I'm
curious how that changes the situation. Would OpenStack welcome a
project built exclusively around a "free for developer use" product
into the tent?

The binaries are free-as-in-beer - IIUC you can't redistribute them. The source code, of course, remains free-as-in-speech as it has always been. (It's easy to forget the distinction when you work in Python all day and there are no binaries, but it's the source code that counts.) And of course there are freely-distributable binaries built from that source available in the form of CentOS.

So the question is mostly moot - we should *almost* never encounter a dependency on RHEL in particular (as opposed to EL builds in general - RHEL/CentOS/Scientific Linux/that Oracle thing/whatever). However in the tiny number of cases where there is one, I think it's entirely reasonable for the OpenStack community to require (a) that it not be a *hard* dependency; and (b) that a "level playing field" exists - i.e. the team must have no objection in principle to somebody using similar mechanisms to implement equivalent functionality for other operating systems.

(I should clarify that this is my personal opinion; I don't speak for Red Hat.)

I believe we follow that policy already anyway. e.g. TripleO never uses RHEL in the gate, only CentOS AFAIK.

cheers,
Zane.

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