Matthias, I was asked why this is so by a different person. The reason is determining majority is impossible if the electorate isn’t well defined in advance of the vote. In this case, the electorate is the core team who were selected by their peers to serve as the leadership of the project. We could correct this deficiency by holding votes across all contributors for the last year. The authorized votes for the PTL election [1] for Kolla Newton were 114 people, and 69 voted.
The PTL election was a major vote – not something simple like a deprecation vote. Yet 60% of eligible voters voted. Using this mechanism would result in an inability to obtain a majority on any issue in my opinion, would be more heavyweight, and require a whole lot more work, and finally slow down decision making processes. We vote on proposals such as this to remove logjams (if there are any to be removed) and we want it to be lightweight. Regards -steve From: Steven Dake <std...@cisco.com> Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 8:32 AM To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro support Mathias, Thank you for voicing your opinion (and anyone is welcome to do that in Kolla), however, core reviewer votes are the only binding votes in the decision making process. Regards -steve From: Mathias Ewald <mew...@evoila.de> Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 7:25 AM To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro support Option 2 2016-09-20 16:07 GMT+02:00 Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com<mailto:std...@cisco.com>>: Consider this a reversal of my vote for Debian deprecation. Swapnil, thanks for bringing this fact to our attention. It was missing from the original vote. I don’t know why I didn’t bring up Benedikt’s contributions (which were substantial) just as Paul’s were substantial for Oracle Linux. I guess the project is too busy for me to keep all the context in my brain. The fact that there is no debian gate really is orthogonal to the discussion in my mind. With this action we would be turning away a contributor who has made real contributions, and send the signal his work doesn’t matter or fit in with the project plans. This is totally the wrong message to send. Further others might interpret such an act as a “we don’t care about anyone’s contributions” which is not the culture we have cultivated since origination of the project. We have built a culture of “you build it, we will accept it once it passes review”. We want to hold on to that – it’s a really good thing for Kolla. There have been rumblings in this thread and on irc of the expanding support matrix and our (lack) of dealing with it appropriately. I think there are other ways to solve that problem without a policy hammer. I added the fedora work originally along with others who have since moved on to other projects. I personally have been unsuccessful at maintaining it, because of the change to DNF (And PTL is a 100% time commitment without a whole lot of time for implementation work). That said Fedora moves too fast for me personally to commit to maintenance there – so my vote there remains unchanged. Regards -steve On 9/20/16, 2:34 AM, "Paul Bourke" <paul.bou...@oracle.com<mailto:paul.bou...@oracle.com>> wrote: If it's the case Benedict or noone else is interested in continuing Debian, I can reverse my vote. Though it seems I'll be outvoted anyway ;) On 20/09/16 10:21, Swapnil Kulkarni wrote: > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Paul Bourke <paul.bou...@oracle.com<mailto:paul.bou...@oracle.com>> wrote: >> -1 for deprecating Debian. >> >> As I mentioned in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369183/, Debian support >> was added incrementally by Benedikt Trefzer as recently as June. So it's >> reasonable to believe there is at least one active user of Debian. >> >> I would like to try get some input from him on whether he's still using it >> and would be interested in helping maintain by adding gates etc. >> >> On 19/09/16 18:44, Jeffrey Zhang wrote: >>> >>> Kolla core reviewer team, >>> >>> Kolla supports multiple Linux distros now, including >>> >>> * Ubuntu >>> * CentOS >>> * RHEL >>> * Fedora >>> * Debian >>> * OracleLinux >>> >>> But only Ubuntu, CentOS, and OracleLinux are widely used and we have >>> robust gate to ensure the quality. >>> >>> For Debian, Kolla hasn't any test for it and nobody reports any bug >>> about it( i.e. nobody use Debian as base distro image). We (kolla >>> team) also do not have enough resources to support so many Linux >>> distros. I prefer to deprecate Debian support now. >>> >>> Please vote: >>> >>> 1. Kolla needs support Debian( if so, we need some guys to set up the >>> gate and fix all the issues ASAP in O cycle) >>> 2. Kolla should deprecate Debian support >>> >>> Voting is open for 7 days until September 27st, 2016. >>> >> >> __________________________________________________________________________ >> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) >> Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe<http://openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe> >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > +1 for #2 > > I agree with reasoning from Paul, though Debian support was being > added incrementally by Benedikt Trefzer but it has been stopped in > middle and all patches in the queue were abandoned [1] > > [1] https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/build-debian,n,z > > __________________________________________________________________________ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe<http://openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe> > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe<http://openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe<http://openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Mobil: +49 176 10567592 E-Mail: mew...@evoila.de<mailto:mew...@evoila.de> evoila GmbH Wilhelm-Theodor-Römheld-Str. 34 55130 Mainz Germany Geschäftsführer: Johannes Hiemer Amtsgericht Mainz HRB 42719 Diese E-Mail enthält vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich geschützte Informationen. 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