I'm -1 on deprecating Debian base image considering it's a recent addition to Kolla and we can legitimately assume the person who contributed it had plans to use it. I would love to get Benedikt’s input.
Martin On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com> wrote: > Matthias, > > > > I was asked why this is so by a different person. The reason is determining > majority is impossible if the electorate isn’t well defined in advance of > the vote. In this case, the electorate is the core team who were selected > by their peers to serve as the leadership of the project. We could correct > this deficiency by holding votes across all contributors for the last year. > The authorized votes for the PTL election [1] for Kolla Newton were 114 > people, and 69 voted. > > > > The PTL election was a major vote – not something simple like a deprecation > vote. Yet 60% of eligible voters voted. Using this mechanism would result > in an inability to obtain a majority on any issue in my opinion, would be > more heavyweight, and require a whole lot more work, and finally slow down > decision making processes. > > > > We vote on proposals such as this to remove logjams (if there are any to be > removed) and we want it to be lightweight. > > > > Regards > > -steve > > > > > > > > From: Steven Dake <std...@cisco.com> > Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 8:32 AM > > > To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" > <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro > support > > > > Mathias, > > > > Thank you for voicing your opinion (and anyone is welcome to do that in > Kolla), however, core reviewer votes are the only binding votes in the > decision making process. > > > > Regards > > -steve > > > > > > From: Mathias Ewald <mew...@evoila.de> > Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" > <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> > Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 7:25 AM > To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" > <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro > support > > > > Option 2 > > > > 2016-09-20 16:07 GMT+02:00 Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com>: > > Consider this a reversal of my vote for Debian deprecation. > > Swapnil, thanks for bringing this fact to our attention. It was missing > from the original vote. I don’t know why I didn’t bring up Benedikt’s > contributions (which were substantial) just as Paul’s were substantial for > Oracle Linux. I guess the project is too busy for me to keep all the > context in my brain. The fact that there is no debian gate really is > orthogonal to the discussion in my mind. With this action we would be > turning away a contributor who has made real contributions, and send the > signal his work doesn’t matter or fit in with the project plans. > > This is totally the wrong message to send. Further others might interpret > such an act as a “we don’t care about anyone’s contributions” which is not > the culture we have cultivated since origination of the project. We have > built a culture of “you build it, we will accept it once it passes review”. > We want to hold on to that – it’s a really good thing for Kolla. There have > been rumblings in this thread and on irc of the expanding support matrix and > our (lack) of dealing with it appropriately. I think there are other ways > to solve that problem without a policy hammer. > > I added the fedora work originally along with others who have since moved on > to other projects. I personally have been unsuccessful at maintaining it, > because of the change to DNF (And PTL is a 100% time commitment without a > whole lot of time for implementation work). That said Fedora moves too fast > for me personally to commit to maintenance there – so my vote there remains > unchanged. > > Regards > -steve > > > > > > > On 9/20/16, 2:34 AM, "Paul Bourke" <paul.bou...@oracle.com> wrote: > > If it's the case Benedict or noone else is interested in continuing > Debian, I can reverse my vote. Though it seems I'll be outvoted anyway > ;) > > On 20/09/16 10:21, Swapnil Kulkarni wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Paul Bourke <paul.bou...@oracle.com> > wrote: > >> -1 for deprecating Debian. > >> > >> As I mentioned in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369183/, Debian > support > >> was added incrementally by Benedikt Trefzer as recently as June. So > it's > >> reasonable to believe there is at least one active user of Debian. > >> > >> I would like to try get some input from him on whether he's still > using it > >> and would be interested in helping maintain by adding gates etc. > >> > >> On 19/09/16 18:44, Jeffrey Zhang wrote: > >>> > >>> Kolla core reviewer team, > >>> > >>> Kolla supports multiple Linux distros now, including > >>> > >>> * Ubuntu > >>> * CentOS > >>> * RHEL > >>> * Fedora > >>> * Debian > >>> * OracleLinux > >>> > >>> But only Ubuntu, CentOS, and OracleLinux are widely used and we have > >>> robust gate to ensure the quality. > >>> > >>> For Debian, Kolla hasn't any test for it and nobody reports any bug > >>> about it( i.e. nobody use Debian as base distro image). We (kolla > >>> team) also do not have enough resources to support so many Linux > >>> distros. I prefer to deprecate Debian support now. > >>> > >>> Please vote: > >>> > >>> 1. Kolla needs support Debian( if so, we need some guys to set up > the > >>> gate and fix all the issues ASAP in O cycle) > >>> 2. 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