Leong, thanks so much for responding. Comments/followup questions inline.
On 02/02/2017 09:07 PM, Sun, Yih Leong wrote:
LCOO was initiated by a group of large telco who contributes/uses OpenStack, such
as AT&T, NTT, Reliance Jio, Orange, etc [1].
ack.
The co-chair has reached out to Product WG for collaboration (refer IRC meeting
logs). The team is working on plans to structure/define LCOO use cases.
My question here is what makes the LCOO use cases different from, say,
the Telco Operator working group's use cases? Or the Massively
Distributed working group's use cases? Or the Enterprise working group's
use cases?
Is the difference that the LCOO's use cases are stories that are
important for the LCOO member companies?
Use case requirements (while still work-in-progress) can span across multiple
areas which might/might-not covered by existing Team/WG.
Understood. Is the plan of the LCOO to identify use cases that are
covered by other working groups, contribute resources to develop that
use case, but have that existing working group handle the product
management (spec/blueprint/communication/roadmap) stuff?
I'm sure LCOO will reach out to various projects for collaboration, stay
tuned...
My questions seem to have been taken as an attack on the LCOO. I was
hoping to avoid that. I'm sincerely hoping to see the outreach to
various projects and am eager to collaborate with developers and
operators from the LCOO companies. I'm just confused what the
relationship between the LCOO and the existing working groups is.
Best,
-jay
[1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LCOO_Participants
Thanks!
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From: Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com]
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Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] [openstack-dev] Large Contributing OpenStack
Operators working group?
On 02/02/2017 05:02 PM, Edgar Magana wrote:
Jay,
I am including the WG chairs to make sure they answers your questions and
addresses your concerns.
In Barcelona the UC asked exactly the same questions and recommended to the
co-chairs of the LCOO WG to work with the existing WG to identify overlapping
activities and either to work together or go ahead with the WG if there were
not overlapping on goals and deliverables.
Was there any follow-on from that request from the UC?
I will let the co-chairs to follow up yours questions. BTW. I do not think this
topic should be posted in the openstack-dev mailing list. So, I will BCC it.
Sure, no problem.
Andrew and Jamey,
Please, address these questions. Let’s work all together to make sure that we
have all groups aligned and coordinated.
Thanks, Edgar, appreciated. Andrew and Jamey, please do let me know if you
would like me to rephrase or elaborate on any questions. Happy to do so. I
genuinely want to see alignment with other groups in this effort.
Best,
-jay
Thanks,
Edgar
On 2/2/17, 12:14 PM, "Jay Pipes" <jaypi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I was told about this group today. I have a few questions. Hopefully
someone from this team can illuminate me with some answers.
1) What is the purpose of this group? The wiki states that the team
"aims to define the use cases and identify and prioritise the
requirements which are needed to deploy, manage, and run services on top
of OpenStack. This work includes identifying functional gaps, creating
blueprints, submitting and reviewing patches to the relevant OpenStack
projects, contributing to working those items, tracking their completion."
What is the difference between the LCOO and the following existing
working groups?
* Large Deployment Team
* Massively Distributed Team
* Product Working Group
* Telco/NFV Working Group
2) According to the wiki page, only companies that are "Multi-Cloud
Operator[s] and/or Network Service Provider[s]" are welcome in this
team. Why is the team called "Large Contributing OpenStack Operators" if
it's only for Telcos? Further, if this is truly only for Telcos, why
isn't the Telco/NFV working group appropriate?
3) Under the "Guiding principles" section of the above wiki, the top
principle is "Align with the OpenStack Foundation". If this is the case,
why did the group move its content to the closed Atlassian Confuence
platform? Why does the group have a set of separate Slack channels
instead of using the OpenStack mailing lists and IRC channels? Why is
the OPNFV Jira used for tracking work items for the LCOO agenda?
See
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wiki.openstack.org_wiki_Gluon_Tasks-2DOcata&d=DwICAg&c=DS6PUFBBr_KiLo7Sjt3ljp5jaW5k2i9ijVXllEdOozc&r=G0XRJfDQsuBvqa_wpWyDAUlSpeMV4W1qfWqBfctlWwQ&m=haOSpIhsa6KyDvuhRFigFVTLrTJxJ1Zv3kfm0JwTTtY&s=kntt00JEwpizTxQus4U9FhnwF_7WicJ7oRncGmkYPGc&e=
for examples.
4) I see a lot of agenda items around projects like Gluon, Craton,
Watcher, and Blazar. I don't see any concrete ideas about talking with
the developers of the key infrastructure services that OpenStack is
built around. How does the LCOO plan on reaching out to the developers
of the long-standing OpenStack projects like Nova, Neutron, Cinder, and
Keystone to drive their shared agenda?
Thanks for reading and (hopefully) answering.
-jay
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