Yeah... I misunderstood the process and where we were / some direction I received and I implemented the forums before it was fully decided. Once I did that Stephen put out the announcement at my request believing that everything was set and ready to go.
I totally take the blame for executing something that wasn't actually ready to go from a community consensus stand point and I apologize. -----Original Message----- From: "Vishvananda Ishaya" <vishvana...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2011 6:17pm To: "Paul Voccio" <paul.voc...@rackspace.com> Cc: "Jordan Rinke" <jor...@openstack.org>, "Everett Toews" <everett.to...@cybera.ca>, "openstack@lists.launchpad.net" <openstack@lists.launchpad.net> Subject: Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum I just brought that up in the release meeting. It is on the agenda for the PPB to discuss on Thursday. Vish On May 3, 2011, at 3:09 PM, Paul Voccio wrote: > Are these really the "official" openstack forums? I didn't get the > impression that this was settled. Didn't we bypass some processes here? > > On 5/3/11 2:49 PM, "Jordan Rinke" <jor...@openstack.org> wrote: > >> Ladies and Gentlemen... welcome to the official OpenStack Forums! >> >> http://forums.openstack.org >> >> Work in progress so feel free to join and post up any comments about the >> forum etc. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Everett Toews" <everett.to...@cybera.ca> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2011 1:22pm >> To: "Anne Gentle" <a...@openstack.org> >> Cc: "Jordan Rinke" <jor...@openstack.org>, openstack@lists.launchpad.net >> Subject: Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum >> >> Regarding your StackExchange questions Anne. >> >> For an Open Source StackExchange-like site OSQA (http://www.osqa.net/) >> could >> be used. >> >> For StackExchange itself it's free as in beer ( >> http://area51.stackexchange.com/faq). >> >> "How much does Stack Exchange cost? >> >> Creating a Stack Exchange site is free. Using a Stack Exchange site is >> free. The Creative Commons licenseguarantees that questions and answers >> are >> free to access, free to use and re-use (with attribution), and free to >> shareĊ forever." >> >> Everett >> >> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Anne Gentle <a...@openstack.org> wrote: >> >>> Hey all, thanks for asking for my input. :) >>> >>> A few months ago, I said it's too early. This month, I do sense a need >>> for >>> community support, based on questions I see on the docs site and the >>> types >>> of questions in Launchpad Answers. >>> >>> I think we're getting to a real user community and it would be good >>> timing >>> to start a forum, so I say yes, with the request that we have strong >>> guides. >>> Jordan and Ron can be our one-percenter guys, the ones who are helpful >>> and >>> responsive. We'll need other one-percenters. Vish has done a _great_ job >>> responding to Launchpad Answers. It's getting to be really helpful. But >>> it's >>> not quite a forum. And it's not about the tool, it's about being >>> responsive, >>> right? >>> >>> I don't want to weigh in too heavily on a tools discussion, because it's >>> more about the community and people than a tool. The responses here >>> seem to >>> indicate that sys admins would lean towards forums. I personally like >>> the >>> Stack Exchange style sites for building a reputation which motivates >>> participation if done well. However, OpenStack is not a big enough draw >>> for >>> them to be a "Top Network Site" like Ubuntu. And the tool is certainly >>> not >>> open source. I don't honestly know pricing or licensing or availability >>> of a >>> standalone Stack Exchange site. Does anyone have details there? That >>> info >>> might help with the tools discussion. >>> >>> My main point is that I'd like to ensure responsiveness, so we don't >>> have >>> empty restaurant syndrome in a forum-like support site. The people who >>> will >>> be most responsive to users and adopters should probably weigh in on the >>> tools discussion. Devs won't need to monitor the admin community support >>> site once we get a core group of admins running OpenStack and helping >>> others. >>> >>> So that's my current thinking. >>> Anne >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Jordan Rinke <jor...@openstack.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Interesting because Ron very specifically mentioned being able to find >>>> useful and relevant information on the Ubuntu forums without bothering >>>> devs >>>> at the beginning of this discussion (which Soren then noted as an >>>> excellent >>>> point). >>>> >>>> We don't have an extended answer from Anne yet, but she did vote Yes on >>>> the >>>> survey (unless someone else used her name since there is no real auth). >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Thierry Carrez [mailto:thie...@openstack.org] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 9:27 AM >>>> To: Jordan Rinke >>>> Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net >>>> Subject: Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum >>>> >>>> Jordan Rinke wrote: >>>>> I think a purely QnA site misses the mark a little, that style is >>>>> great for a very specific question (And the OSQnA stuff Everett >>>> linked >>>>> looks great) but I think a lot of users are lacking the knowledge to >>>>> ask a very specific question just yet. So maybe it is that we need a >>>>> place for random discussion, but that can also specifically answer a >>>> question as well. >>>> >>>> If you take Ubuntu (arguably one of the largest software-related >>>> forums in >>>> the world), the forums are completely ignored by developers, so it >>>> relies >>>> on >>>> a completely separate user community. It is a source for wrong (or >>>> outdated) >>>> technical answers and user frustration. >>>> >>>> They recently set up a stackexchange site at ask.ubuntu.com, and it is >>>> a >>>> huge success. Developers and users contribute to it, and it's a >>>> valuable >>>> and >>>> continuously-updated source of information. >>>> >>>> I don't want us to run into the same failure before realizing there is >>>> a >>>> better and more targeted tool available... Personally I would ignore >>>> forums >>>> (since they are a waste of time), but contribute to the stackexchange >>>> site >>>> (since they are an easy way to contribute reference information). >>>> >>>>> 77.8% voting for a forum at this point (out of 18 responses) >>>> >>>> I would wait on Anne's answer before taking any hasty decision based >>>> on a >>>> binary poll. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Thierry Carrez (ttx) >>>> Release Manager, OpenStack >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack >>>> Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net >>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack >>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack >>> Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack >> Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message (including any attached or > embedded documents) is intended for the exclusive and confidential use of the > individual or entity to which this message is addressed, and unless otherwise > expressly indicated, is confidential and privileged information of Rackspace. > Any dissemination, distribution or copying of the enclosed material is > prohibited. > If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us immediately by > e-mail > at ab...@rackspace.com, and delete the original message. > Your cooperation is appreciated. > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp