Just to clear, I have nothing against Heat or Ceilometer calling themselves OpenStack Orchestration and OpenStack Metering respectively.
What I am trying to understand is the current difference between core and integrated projects and it doesn't sound like anybody knows. On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Monty Taylor <mord...@inaugust.com> wrote: > I believe the part of the thing Jonathan was referencing that the TC is > talking about is the final line of 4.1(b): > > "The Secretary shall maintain a list of the modules in the Core > OpenStack Project which shall be posted on the Foundation’s website." > > Which led us to believe that we needed to suggest that the secretary > update the list of modules so that heat and ceilometer could use the > naming. > > However, I believe that Jonathan has clarified that this is not > necessary and the both of them are already allowed to use that naming > because they are part of the integrated release. This does not make them > "Core" - but they do not need to be core in order to accomplish the > thing the TC was asking about. > > SO - I think everyone's intent is in line, and we needed clarity on the > actions actually needed. > > On 11/14/2013 12:56 PM, Boris Renski wrote: > > OK, I am totally confused then. > > > > If per bylaws any integrated project can called itself "OpenStack Blah" > > then we return to the question of current difference between integrated > > and core. It seems like there is no alignment. Jonathan's opinion > > contradicts Thierry's. > > > > Perhaps, we should all just agree that there is no difference until > > after the interop work is done and core becomes defined via a series of > > tests? > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Jonathan Bryce <jbr...@jbryce.com > > <mailto:jbr...@jbryce.com>> wrote: > > > > To Mark’s earlier point, this is the relevant language in 4.1(b) > > (http://www.openstack.org/legal/bylaws-of-the-openstack-foundation/ > ): > > > > "The other modules which are part of the OpenStack Project, but not > > the Core OpenStack Project may not be identified using the OpenStack > > trademark except when distributed with the Core OpenStack Project." > > > > In this sentence "distributed with the Core OpenStack Project" is > > another way of saying "distributed with the integrated release.” > > Since Heat and Ceilometer are part of the integrated release > > starting with Havana, as voted on by the TC, the projects (a.k.a. > > "modules") can be referred to with an OpenStack generic name, such > > as "OpenStack Orchestration," without being added to the "Core" > > list. Other modules such as Devstack which are not distributed as > > part of the integrated release could not as they don’t meet the > > exception in the sentence above. > > > > To provide some context from the drafting process when this was > > written, the intent was to arrive at a set of modules explicitly > > approved by the Board as part of the Core OpenStack Project which > > would be useful for determining interop and commercial product and > > service trademark usage. This is along the lines of the “spider” > > work that has been going on. The exception in the sentence quoted > > above from 4.1(b) was to allow for an integrated release that > > included additional modules that the TC felt had the technical merit > > to be developed, released and distributed as part of the total set > > of OpenStack software, but that may not have the universal > > applicability of a module of the Core OpenStack Project that became > > a required component for commercial trademark use. > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > On Nov 14, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Boris Renski <bren...@mirantis.com > > <mailto:bren...@mirantis.com>> wrote: > > > > > In this case, statement by Mark below is inaccurate. Until BoD > > passes the resolution for Heat to call itself, "OpenStack > > Orchestration" (which I don't believe it has), Heat remains "an > > integrated project called Heat" and NOT "OpenStack Orchestration" > > > > > > Am I getting it right? > > > > > > > > > > *Can* the projects themselves use the word "OpenStack" such as > > > > "OpenStack Orchestration"? Answer: yes absolutely. This is > already a > > > > done deal and we are already doing it in practice. And its > covered > > > > under the bylaws once they are included in the integrated > release by > > > > TC vote. There is no need for further action. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Thierry Carrez > > <thie...@openstack.org <mailto:thie...@openstack.org>> wrote: > > > Boris Renski wrote: > > > > None of this answers the question of "what is currently the > > difference > > > > between core and integrated." I agree with everything you said, > > but it > > > > sounds to me like *integrated* = *core* at this point. > > > > > > Well, no. > > > > > > "Integrated" is the list of projects we produce and release > together > > > every 6 months. That's fully determined by the TC. > > > > > > "The Core OpenStack Project" as defined in the bylaws is the list > of > > > projects that can call themselves "OpenStack X". The TC recommends > > that > > > it's the same as the list of integrated projects, but the BoD may > > decide > > > to exclude some of those (since the bylaws grant them that power). > > > > > > And then there are all the other fun use cases for the word "core". > > > > > > So while there is definitely a relation between "Integrated" and > > one of > > > the many use cases of the term "Core", I definitely wouldn't go as > far > > > as saying *integrated* = *core* at this point. > > > > > > -- > > > Thierry Carrez (ttx) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Foundation-board mailing list > > > foundation-bo...@lists.openstack.org > > <mailto:foundation-bo...@lists.openstack.org> > > > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation-board > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Foundation-board mailing list > > foundation-bo...@lists.openstack.org > > <mailto:foundation-bo...@lists.openstack.org> > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation-board > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Foundation-board mailing list > > foundation-bo...@lists.openstack.org > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation-board > > >
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