Hi Maurizio,

Am 25.10.18 um 12:10 schrieb Maurizio Galli:
> Hello Stefan,
> Thank you for your answer.
> 
> The history of the software selection is "I took over what Guido
>> Berhoerster left behind and try to not break anthing by avoiding touching
>> things as far as possible" :-)
> 
> 
> I also don't wanna break anything of course :P.

I didn't want to imply that. It was more a "I did not touch patterns when I 
could avoid it, because it does not affect
me anyway" :-)

> I don't think changing the
> programs will do so, as long as apps keep being maintained as it's
> currently the case. However, if the pattern is changed, users relying on
> the pattern and recommended packages will eventually get the new software
> installed with `zypper dup`. This has to be taken into account and maybe
> done gradually rather than all at once, as it may annoy somebody.
> Therefore your suggestion to bring this discussion to Factory could be a
> good idea.

I think a majority of TW users use "--no-recommends", but we can announce on 
-factory what packages we recommend to install.

> I also filed a Bugzilla request because I was suggested to do so on
> Discord: https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1112889
> I don't know how useful this report is as the pattern is maintained in
> X11:xfce. Thus I believe it's up to you and the other maintainers to  make
> the call on its changes.

I think so, too :-)

> How can I link this thread to the Factory mailing list?

Don't. Just announce on factory what you are going to do:

"I'll submit an updated xfce-patterns package, with these changes...".

Don't request discussion (people will discuss anyway ;-)), but just state it as 
fact.

If a discussion starts, we can see what we can take from that, if not just go 
ahead with your changes.

Then submit your changes in OBS and I and / or Takashi will review them (note: 
I'm on vacation next week, so my latency
will be high) and accept them.

Best regards,
-- 
Stefan Seyfried

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over
 public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman
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