Ok noted and like I said I will leave this open for others to chip in. Unless the decision affected multiple users, I still prefer not to install it by default. In that scenario, just remember that "zypper in pidgin" will bring it back. Cheers,
Maurizio Galli (MauG) Xfce Team https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Xfce On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 7:52 PM Liam Proven <lpro...@suse.cz> wrote: > > Your quoting seems to be badly broken. I suggest you look into that, too. > > It is not Gmail's fault; I use Gmail at home and it bottom-posts just > fine. Here is how: > 1. Select "plain text" (bottom right, 3 vertical dots next to trashcan). > 2. Enter the edit window, hit Ctrl-A to select all, then trim and reply. > > I have attempted to correct your quoting below. Please forgive me if I > got it wrong. > > On 2/25/19 12:11 PM, Maurizio Galli wrote: > > > Hi Liam,I don't consider Pidgin to be obsolete. Rather not > > particularly good with the more modern technologies. > > It works with them very well, so I am sorry but I think you are not > working from correct, current knowledge. Thus I disagree with your > decision, because it is based on defective information. > > >> Telegram works fine in Pidgin and I use it daily > > > > I personally had bad experience with > > the plugin, particularly with "groups" and it doesn't really compare > > to the official native Telegram app in the repo. > > [1] > > The question is not whether there is a native client, or whether it is > better or not. > > E.g. Telegram has a client, but FB Messenger does not. > > Some services have Web clients (e.g. Whatsapp, Skype) but that means > leaving a browser tab open, consuming lots of RAM, easy to accidentally > close). > > Some have a native app, but these are often undesirable: > > Many "native clients" such as Rocket.chat or Slack are not true native > clients; they are just frames around an Electron window, meaning that > they embed one copy of Google Chrome per instance. The result is that > each window takes in the region of half a gig of RAM. > > The point is that Pidgin _replaces_ multiple native clients with a > single, integrated app, with a single point of notifications, a single > unified interface, etc. > > Pidgin is this more in the Unix spirit of small, efficient tools that > can handle anything, rather than big, complex single-purpose apps. > > [2] > > As for Telegram, it works perfectly. I can add individuals or groups to > my buddy list, I can message individuals or groups or get messages from > them. I can see emoticons and so on. > > >> My copy of Pidgin is also connected to IRC, Facebook Messenger, Google > >> Hangouts and Rocket.chat > > > > It's not a great IRC client imo missing many of the > > features of hexchat or weechat. > > I don't care. I don't want rich features and chrome. I want something > simple, clean and efficient, that integrates multiple messenging > services in one app. > > This is why I use Xfce. > > I also use Thunderbird, which again talks to all my email accounts in 1 > place. It would be very messy and difficult to handle my email if I had > to run 6 different email apps, all with different quoting conventions. > (Like the official SUSE GroupWise client, which can talk to nothing > else, for example.) > > It would *impossible* if they took a gig of RAM each. > > > I thought that google chat and Facebook > > chat plugins were deprecated when the XMPP their support was dropped. > > Google Hangouts works with the standard built-in XMPP protocol. I use > the web client for audio/video calls and group chats. > > > Please let me know if new plugins exist because they are not in the > > default install of Pidgin. > > Facebook needs a plugin: > > https://software.opensuse.org/package/pidgin-facebookchat > > Telegram needs a plugin: > > https://software.opensuse.org/package/pidgin-plugin-telegram > > With these, both work perfectly and better than standalone apps or web > pages. The clients are tiny, efficient and do all that I need in a few > hundred kB of RAM instead of a few hundred MB. > > Yes, Electron-based clients really *are* that inefficient. A thousand > times more memory usage is *normal*. I am not exaggerating here. > > > I did not know that it supported Rocket > > chat. > > https://software.opensuse.org/package/pidgin-plugin-rocketchat > > Rocket.chat is the official internal SUSE channel for the documentation > team and several other products and projects. > > > Is Pidgin the only tool to use that service (I'm not a SUSE > > employee)? > > It is the *only* 3rd party client for Rocket.chat that I am aware of. > There is a native client, but it is a huge memory hog, and it is only > available for Fedora (although the package does work on Tumbleweed) or > as a Flatpak, which I was unable to get to work. > > >> I request reconsideration of this, especially if it is to > >> be replaced > >> with a more limited, single-protocol client such as > >> Hexchat. > > I submit that replacing Pidgin with Hexchat is like replacing a Swiss > Army Knife with a single small Philips screwdriver. The screwdriver may > be better at one thing, but the knife can do 42 different things > acceptably well. > > > I can leave this open to discussion of course, here and > > Factory ML. > > I am no longer on the Factory ML and am not planning to rejoin. My > contributions were unwelcome. > > > > -- > Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. > Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia > Email: lpro...@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+unsubscr...@opensuse.org > To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+ow...@opensuse.org > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+ow...@opensuse.org
