On Sunday 30 October 2005 16:15, Janne Karhunen wrote: > > I'm sorry, but that's not correct. As you're mentioning IE: Windows > > bundles a number of components. That's also one of its technical defects, > > because they're so tightly integrating into the "operating system" > > This goes off topic, but why is it bad thing to expect the system > to have a HTML renderer in the year 2006 (earliest)?
The bad thing isn't that it's there, the bad thing is that it's so tightly integrated that it's impossible to get rid of if you want to replace it with something else > > (yes, I put > > quotes there) that one cannot install Windows without a graphical user > > interface that uses at least 40 to 100MB of RAM, permanently, having a > > sh*tload of DLLs and applications running in memory, including IE. > > The fact is, it's almost as impossible to do this with Linux as > well or you end up breaking many, many things. Applications are > the first to suffer. That simply isn't true. You break graphical programs. apache and mysql will happily run on such a system > Setting up embedded stuff like ultra-lite firewall should be a > thing to worry for the firewall builder, not every frigging end > user. In the end, stripping Linux to bare bones has very little > real use. If you set up a server, rule number of 1 is to only install that which is necessary > > And, as we all know, that also implies a large number of security issues. > > Do we want that for Linux ? I don't think so. > > Okay, now you go off topic. Of course we could argue for ever > whether integration is a good thing or not. I think it is, and > it is one of the key design concepts of KDE for one. That's > why I like it. > > > If a commercial vendor requires libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0, fine. > > What you're talking about is rather having consistent and > > backwards-compatible APIs and ABIs. > > That's a one thing. But having the working ABI will not get the > RPM to install. Of course it will, if the requirements are set properly in the rpm. A packager should only require what he requires, not irrelevant things > As I said, ABI is the other thing. But making that truly stable for > Linux is too much to ask right now. Just having the applications to > install would be OK for now. Most ABIs actually are stable in Linux. It's only the kernel that keeps breaking, but the user space programs rarely see that --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
