Graham, On Sunday 04 June 2006 07:23, Graham Anderson wrote: > On Sunday 04 June 2006 07:15, Randall R Schulz wrote: > > My god. What does "the community" need to discuss that's not what > > it's working on? Is this some kind of social club? Please give me > > some examples of non-technical, non-product issues that are > > pertinent topics of discussion in your conception of this list's > > charter. > > Is SUSE Linux open enough? What is the scope for contribution to SUSE > Linux by non Novell or SUSE employees? To what extent has the > openSUSE.org or the openSUSE project/website/wiki contributed to the > adoption of SUSE Linux? Are aspects of SUSE Linux being adversely > affected by opening the development process or should it be more > open? At what point does the interests of the wider SUSE community > and users conflict with the business interests of Novell/SUSE?
All fine examples. None of them are about "the community." The problem here is saying that these issues are about "the community." **** "THE COMMUNITY" != "THE COMMUNITY'S ACTIVITIES" **** > > SuSE Linux is a technology project. If anything is off-topic, it's > > the non-technical. > > Correct, SUSE Linux is a technical product, and there is already a > list for technical questions about SUSE Linux so in fact technical > questions on this list are offtopic. > > **** SUSE Linux != openSUSE.org **** You guys really love this little catch-phrase, don't you? Doesn't openSUSE.org produce the open-source subset of SuSE Linux? > > What are these things? What is openSUSE that is not also SuSE > > Linux? You steadfastly refuse to suggest to me what they might be. > > The only thing I can think of that would be off-topic here (besides > > non-technical issues, of course) is non-open-source software, which > > is strictly in the commercial Novell / SuSE Linux release. > > You seem to be getting confused between an actual > product/distro/release and a community project. If you really don't > understand the concept of 'community project' then *shrug* I don't believe I suffer from that confusion at all, and that's not the answer I'm trying to get. And what really distinguishes the "community project" (note the change in wording) from the commercial product other than Novell's packaging and non-OSS additions? It seems there's rather little to distinguish the two and aside from the issues of _producing_ the release, nothing to justify this list. And when you think of it, people are coming to this list with their technical questions for a very good and valid reason: They're more likely to find well-informed, authoritative and truly useful answers here than they are on the SuSE-Linux-E list, where most people have only just now started to get direct experience with 10.1 (to take the current example). To send these people away when they seek the best answers possible is quite rude, it seems. > > No. I certainly do not. SuSE Linux is a technology project. There's > > nothing else to discuss and I think that's made pretty clear by the > > fact that people keep coming here with technical questions. Sadly, > > they're now just handed copy and after copy of some boilerplate > > telling them to go somewhere else. > > Again, SUSE Linux IS NOT THE SAME THING as openSUSE Fine, but that distinction is _not_ the distinction that people are trying to impose on this list vs. SuSE-Linux-E. When people post questions here about, e.g., a kernel panic, they're sent away. The kernel is as much a part of the open-source distribution as it is the commercial one, is it not? > > Unless and until you can get specific about what non-technical > > issues you think this list should be used for, then I see no need > > for this list at all. Repeating "community issues" over and over > > does not answer the question. > > If you cannot think of any non technical issues then what business do > you have posting here and flaming others? Just because *you* see no > need for this list doesn't mean that the need does not exist. If you > cannot understand the concept of a community project, or you do not > wish to participate in the openSUSE communitiy project you could at > least respect the wishes of those that do. I flamed no one in any way. I posted to ask a question. A question to which, until now, I got no actual answer. All I got was a lot of tangential stuff. > Cheers > Graham Randall Schulz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
