On 2007/07/09 09:46 (GMT+0200) Clayton apparently typed:
> Felix Miata wrote:
>> >> ubuntu is quite tempting :D
>> Why do you think so? It has a whole bunch of different CD you need to choose
>> from according to which desktop environment you want (Gnome, KDE, XFCE), and
>> whether your installation will require advanced install features.
>
> And SUSE doesn't have several CDs and/or DVDs? You're not keeping up
> with what is happening in opensuse-factory I take it :-) In addition
I was going by what comes in the latest available retail box, and I did mean
per architecture. Factory I install via HTTP. ;-)
> to the usual DVD and 6 CD set (for 10.3), there is also now a KDE
> specific install CD, and a Gnome specific install CD. Kinda sounds
> like Kubuntu and Ubuntu to me. It makes sense. Why download Gnome if
It makes for confusion among nOObs trying to make an intelligent choice. In
*buntu there aren't just architectures and desktops to choose from, but also
certain other installation options are only available in either the
standards or the alternates but not both.
> you don't like it (ie the entire 6CD or DVD set) and all you need is
> the 1 CD KDE (or Gnome) version (or vice versa) and a connection to
> the Repositories?
Actually once you have an OS installed on a system, you don't need anything
but an installation kernel, installation initrd, and something that can load
them - no iso or CD or DVD is necessary, so I rarely have need to download
or burn them.
>> Ubuntu is a Debian, which makes it quite a bit different from SUSE.
> It's not that different. OK, based on deb not rpm, but... so? What
> difference does that make in the proverbial grand scheme of things?
While that's certainly a consequential difference, it's hardly the only
thing I was referring to. Debians dump everything but single into runlevel
2, which can make a number of otherwise simple troubleshooting and
configuration tasks more vexing. You can't drop from runlevel 5 to runlevel
3 to halt a broken X. You can't drop to runlevel 2 to kill all networking.
You can't feed a grub prompt a 3 to prevent X from starting on boot. Try and
figure out what they substitute for chkconfig. I haven't found anything yet.
> (other than that some files are not in the places you may be used to..
> eg apache is not in /srv/www, it's in /var for some reason).
Duh!
> Once it's installed, on a day to day use basis it's still Linux... it
> does all the same things as openSUSE. It even does some things far
> better - repository package management being the number one thing that
> Ubuntu really does well... and where openSUSE lags far behind. (my
> opinion of course, but also why several friends of mine I converted
> over to SUSE over the years have dropped SUSE in favor of Ubuntu for
> desktop use)
How do their users use a command line to locate a particular package they
don't know the name of? With such helpful repository directory names as 1,
b, 3, d, etc. it can take quite a bit of time to hunt down and fetch a
package compared to looking in distribution/version/repo/type/suse/arch/
with mc ftp.
> One thing really worth noting about Ubuntu (and it's variations) is,
> that it really suffers for a lack of a decent system config tool like
> YAST. We like to complain about YAST until we're blue in the face,
> but once it's gone, you suddenly discover how much you used YAST, or
> at least appreciated YAST.
Not an inconsequential reason why I replied to the OP. Buntu's Adept GUI
package manager should be named inept, and smart isn't a characteristic I'd
apply to its Smart GUI.
> I've triple booted and more on my computer. It works fine - the
All mine except a few old clunkers are multiboot. Most have more than 2 OS
installed, many more than 6.
> Ubuntu installer will find the other OSes installed and create GRUB
> entries for them. Just be aware that the last Linux installed will
> (usually) be the one who supplies the boot manager (GRUB usually). If
That's an unfortunate circumstance of most Linux installers, which assume
unnecessarily that the best place to install a boot loader is the MBR.
> you prefer the openSUSE GRUB, boot to openSUSE, edit GRUB to add in
> the details for the new install, and rewrite openSUSE's GRUB in place
> of the new Linux install's boot manager.
Unlike some installers, at least Buntu's will permit you to install no
bootloader. Once you've got Grub installed in a suitable place (an active
primary partition), there should be no need for anything but you to touch
it, and only menu.lst at that.
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