On 2007/07/09 09:46 (GMT+0200) Clayton apparently typed: > Felix Miata wrote:
>> >> ubuntu is quite tempting :D >> Why do you think so? It has a whole bunch of different CD you need to choose >> from according to which desktop environment you want (Gnome, KDE, XFCE), and >> whether your installation will require advanced install features. > > And SUSE doesn't have several CDs and/or DVDs? You're not keeping up > with what is happening in opensuse-factory I take it :-) In addition I was going by what comes in the latest available retail box, and I did mean per architecture. Factory I install via HTTP. ;-) > to the usual DVD and 6 CD set (for 10.3), there is also now a KDE > specific install CD, and a Gnome specific install CD. Kinda sounds > like Kubuntu and Ubuntu to me. It makes sense. Why download Gnome if It makes for confusion among nOObs trying to make an intelligent choice. In *buntu there aren't just architectures and desktops to choose from, but also certain other installation options are only available in either the standards or the alternates but not both. > you don't like it (ie the entire 6CD or DVD set) and all you need is > the 1 CD KDE (or Gnome) version (or vice versa) and a connection to > the Repositories? Actually once you have an OS installed on a system, you don't need anything but an installation kernel, installation initrd, and something that can load them - no iso or CD or DVD is necessary, so I rarely have need to download or burn them. >> Ubuntu is a Debian, which makes it quite a bit different from SUSE. > It's not that different. OK, based on deb not rpm, but... so? What > difference does that make in the proverbial grand scheme of things? While that's certainly a consequential difference, it's hardly the only thing I was referring to. Debians dump everything but single into runlevel 2, which can make a number of otherwise simple troubleshooting and configuration tasks more vexing. You can't drop from runlevel 5 to runlevel 3 to halt a broken X. You can't drop to runlevel 2 to kill all networking. You can't feed a grub prompt a 3 to prevent X from starting on boot. Try and figure out what they substitute for chkconfig. I haven't found anything yet. > (other than that some files are not in the places you may be used to.. > eg apache is not in /srv/www, it's in /var for some reason). Duh! > Once it's installed, on a day to day use basis it's still Linux... it > does all the same things as openSUSE. It even does some things far > better - repository package management being the number one thing that > Ubuntu really does well... and where openSUSE lags far behind. (my > opinion of course, but also why several friends of mine I converted > over to SUSE over the years have dropped SUSE in favor of Ubuntu for > desktop use) How do their users use a command line to locate a particular package they don't know the name of? With such helpful repository directory names as 1, b, 3, d, etc. it can take quite a bit of time to hunt down and fetch a package compared to looking in distribution/version/repo/type/suse/arch/ with mc ftp. > One thing really worth noting about Ubuntu (and it's variations) is, > that it really suffers for a lack of a decent system config tool like > YAST. We like to complain about YAST until we're blue in the face, > but once it's gone, you suddenly discover how much you used YAST, or > at least appreciated YAST. Not an inconsequential reason why I replied to the OP. Buntu's Adept GUI package manager should be named inept, and smart isn't a characteristic I'd apply to its Smart GUI. > I've triple booted and more on my computer. It works fine - the All mine except a few old clunkers are multiboot. Most have more than 2 OS installed, many more than 6. > Ubuntu installer will find the other OSes installed and create GRUB > entries for them. Just be aware that the last Linux installed will > (usually) be the one who supplies the boot manager (GRUB usually). If That's an unfortunate circumstance of most Linux installers, which assume unnecessarily that the best place to install a boot loader is the MBR. > you prefer the openSUSE GRUB, boot to openSUSE, edit GRUB to add in > the details for the new install, and rewrite openSUSE's GRUB in place > of the new Linux install's boot manager. Unlike some installers, at least Buntu's will permit you to install no bootloader. Once you've got Grub installed in a suitable place (an active primary partition), there should be no need for anything but you to touch it, and only menu.lst at that. -- "All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteoousness." 2 Timothy 3:16 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]