What kind of real world example applications do you want? Wafer has a
working webwork example...

And docs? Who needs them - they're for people who aren't willing to roll
their sleeves up and dig directly into the code, right? (Note droll
humour.)

On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Heng Sin Low wrote:

> I think it might be beneficial to do both xwork and webwork as separate project
> at this point of time. At least, people will spent less time debating at
> mailing list and get things done. I guess there is no right or wrong here, it
> is just that people have different preference and needs. For instance, I only
> do webapp and certainly don't want all the extra complexity/coolness of xwork.
> IMHO, xwork if implemented base on idea presented here so far is a very
> different beast from existing webwork and might as well start off as a fresh
> project.
>
> Also, if we just concentrate all the efforts on xwork ( which will probably
> need  sometime to mature ), we are neglecting the immediate need of existing
> webwork users. Look at webwork 1.3, it have been at rc1 for sometime and nobody
> seems to care about its status. Not to mention it still lack documentation,
> real world example application, have outstanding xdoclet bug, etc.
>
> --- Rickard_�berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Erik Beeson wrote:
> > > Rickard, as I understood, XWork was to break away from J2EE, hence
> > > removing "web" from the name. If new versions with strong web ties are
> > > going to remain, shouldn't they remain under the original WebWork name?
> >
> > That is something I wanted to gauge by my last couple of emails. I
> > personally do not believe (at this point) that making the web part
> > "optional" is going to work very well. I certainly don't believe that it
> > is going to be feasible, or even a good idea, to make a framework that
> > allows code to be written for both Swing and the web. They're different
> > beasts with different requirements, with completely different thinking
> > behind how code gets written. We have a lot of Swing code in our
> > project, and when I look at it I simply don't see how something like
> > XWork would fit in, or why it would be useful.
> >
> > What *is* useful is to allow actions to be called without a servlet
> > environment, but more or less *only* for testing/debugging purposes.
> > Executing actions as a response to asynchronous messages could work too.
> > But that's about it. I do not believe that actions (except for maybe 1%
> > of special cases) can be reused in so different spaces. I remain open to
> > the *possibility* of it, but so far I just haven't seen it.
> >
> > So, given all of this, my resignation from XWork still holds. The
> > requirements that have been voiced the last few days are not mine, and I
> > don't think they're compatible with my goals, at least not without
> > serious compromises that will only hurt the end result. The question
> > then becomes: would it be useful to do *both* XWork and WebWork, but as
> > separate projects with these different goals?
> >
> > /Rickard
> >
> > --
> > Rickard �berg
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> > Senselogic
> >
> > Got blog? I do. http://dreambean.com
> >
> >
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