Hello Seth, Thank you this is interesting.
I don't know pfSense... do you have the nation of plugin which is independent from the core? I mean pre-defined interface, which is backward compatible? I looked briefly on the source tree and did not find my way... A counter example of nagios is cacti... which provides plugins as their own... :) So basically you think that openvpn or openvpn-plugin package should install all plugins, and depend on the union of all, right? Alon. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Seth Mos <seth....@dds.nl> wrote: > Chiming in here, > > Although pfSense is basically a giant tarbal, it has the benefit of being > sure that all parts of it fit together. We also have installable packages and > we frequently see issues with that. We are trying to solve some of them using > PBI packages just so that each "package" always has it's dependencies in > check. > > Although we are just a "consumer", we'd rather have a single FreeBSD port > that we build then 5 ports we need to update, with all the required > dependencies. > > Our github repo is split into one for packages, tools and pfSense. But each > is really a standalone thing, because there is no overlap. Which probably my > point, the plugin is useless without the main. > > The one git repo for pfSense is pretty manageable, even more so through git > with Pull requests. The single biggest jump in commits and patches from the > community is moving to GitHub. It makes contributions so much easier. That > said, even for us the amount of simultaneous active coders is about 5, > although we do see small patches and pull requests from about 30 or so people > a year. > > I see nagios using nagios-plugins, that has seperate releases from the main > nagios. So there's that too. > > Just a few thoughts from the other end. > > Really, really, _really_ looking forward to Viscosity and Tunnelblick > shipping Ipv6 enabled clients. Pretty please. > > Cheers, > > Seth > pfSense developer > > Op 13 mei 2012, om 13:12 heeft Gert Doering het volgende geschreven: > >> Hi, >> >> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 02:00:32PM +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: >>>>> Can't we progress? >>>> >>>> Why is that progress? >>>> >>>> Change always has drawbacks. If the plus sides outweighs the drawbacks, >>>> change is good. Change for change's sake, "just because you can change >>>> it", is not. >>> >>> Yes, but still from your responses I don't see any drawback... maybe I >>> am slow learner... >> >> Drawback to maintainers and sysadmins has already been mentioned by >> ecrist and me. Try being a sysadmin for a few weeks and figure out >> which bits of xorg you need to download to install xinit, assuming >> you have a system without any X libraries and headers yet (in the xorg >> example: splitting off "xinit" might actually make sense, but splitting >> the basic infrastructure to build anything into about 50 different >> "xyz-library" and "xyz-headers" packages is crazyness). >> >> But the onus is not particularily on me: you have not put forward >> convincing arguments why splitting off a very small number of files >> that only make use in the context of OpenVPN into their own repository >> has any *advantage*. >> >> The handwavy argument "it will attract more users!" can be countered by >> similarily handwaving "I, as a user, hate to download multiple packages >> to figure out how to start contributing, and so it will scare *away* >> users". >> >> >> As a counterexample, look at Apache. They have heaps of modules in >> the main tarball, and have no issues with frequent release and with >> attracting developers. And still, modules maintained by non-apache >> developers can be developed externally, without having to splitt off >> all existing modules beforehand. >> >> gert >> -- >> USENET is *not* the non-clickable part of WWW! >> //www.muc.de/~gert/ >> Gert Doering - Munich, Germany >> g...@greenie.muc.de >> fax: +49-89-35655025 >> g...@net.informatik.tu-muenchen.de >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Live Security Virtual Conference >> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and >> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions >> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware >> threats. >> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/_______________________________________________ >> Openvpn-devel mailing list >> Openvpn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openvpn-devel >
