Hi Tom,

>>The four documents are not spelled out but referred to in shorthand and while 
>>I think I know which are intended, that IMHO needs spelling out.

The involved modules which could potentially share a common Yang service types 
are:

- L3 VPN Customer Service YANG Model (L3SM) 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc8299/
- L2 VPN Customer Service YANG Model (L2SM)  
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc8466/
- L3 VPN Service Network Model (L3NM) 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm-03
- L2 VPN Service Network Model (L2NM) 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-barguil-opsawg-l2sm-l2nm-02


Best Regards,


Oscar

-----Mensaje original-----
De: tom petch <ie...@btconnect.com>
Enviado el: martes, 26 de mayo de 2020 18:05
Para: Joe Clarke (jclarke) <jclarke=40cisco....@dmarc.ietf.org>; Oscar González 
de Dios <oscar.gonzalezded...@telefonica.com>
CC: opsawg <opsawg@ietf.org>
Asunto: Re: [OPSAWG] Minutes of L3NM/L2NM module discussions

From: OPSAWG <opsawg-boun...@ietf.org> on behalf of Joe Clarke (jclarke) 
<jclarke=40cisco....@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: 21 May 2020 15:43



2. L3NM
    Revision of the three main issues:
Implementation Report by Cisco. It has two main issues 
(https://github.com/IETF-OPSAWG-WG/l3nm/issues/110)
- Common module to have all the L3NM specific requirements. Type-like module.
[Anton]: It makes implementation simpler. Does not generate unnecessary 
dependencies
[Adrian]: It depends on if we need module for specific types, to avoid 
unnecessary imports. Also don't you only need to import types, not the entire 
module?
[Qin]: With L3SM we did not take an augmentation approach. If there are common 
types defined in both models, then we may need to find the common components. 
We should decouple of L3SM.
[Sriram]: Prefer to have a separate type-file for the specific parameters.
[Oscar]: Define a common type-file for the service models.
[Qin]: Is it possible to manage it as an independent draft?

[Oscar in github issues]: After the discussions, it seems reasonable to have a 
separate Yang module to contain the types. The suggestion is to write the 
module to cover the four service models (client service models, l3sm, l2sm and 
Network service models, l2nm, l3nm). It seems reasonable to include this module 
in l3nm draft instead of creating a new one to avoid dependencies.
Samier, Dan and Anton to collaborate for a first version of the split

As chair, I want to call this out since it sounds like the authors made a 
decision here, and I want to make sure the whole WG has a chance to weigh in..  
In reading these minutes and issue #110, I can see the value of a types module 
to avoid what may be confusing imports, but I want to know if anyone on the WG 
has a different opinion.

<tp>
Joe
The four documents are not spelled out but referred to in shorthand and while I 
think I know which are intended, that IMHO needs spelling out.
In principle, a common types is a no-brainer provided it is done early enough - 
before anything becomes an RFC! - and with limited enough scope.  NETMOD got it 
right but did have decades of SMI experience to go on, RTGWG got it right, with 
TEAS it is less clear while layer0-types has changed much over its short life - 
is it right now? May be.
So carving out the current types (etc) will likely lead to a bad outcome; it is 
a question of looking carefully across the range of documents to see what is, 
or is likely to be common.  The higher up the stack you go the more likely 
items are to be common but equally the more likely it is that someone has been 
there already.
And if you look at existing types modules, it took a while for the penny to 
drop but they end up as separate I-D, better still with a different author to 
the importing I-D; a no brainer really.

Tom Petch

Joe


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