Dennis,
Good write up, though I have a question:
Your first scenario states a single server with 50 users - License 38,675 -
Support 8,508.50 - for Oracle. Now as you go down the line and get below
this 50 user license the price drops and stays at 31,850 (seems fair so far)
with a SUPPORT cost of 22,295!!!!!! Is this correct?? You do realise that
this is essentially a maintenance cost of 70% of the license cost? Now, I
know that Oracle are losing license revenue at the moment - but if this IS
the case don't you think are they are trying to stuff you up the proverbial
with support? :)
No software company could EVER justify such a high maintenance cost! We
charge maint of 20% and some people question that..
I feel that there has to be some catch along with DB2's support offering
also as they are charging a 1%+/- maintenance cost - now either their RDBMS
is EXTREMELY stable, and they don't anticipate you calling in for support
(Not likely), or they have too much money to be greedy - ahhhemmm -!.
Thanks for the write up though Dennis, this is pretty topical for us at the
moment.
Cheers
Mark
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Taylor
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Since the list doesn't allow attachments, I'm just merging in all this as
text. It may be messy. sorry.
Oh, and these are Canadian prices. U.S. prices will be 50% - 67% of the
stated values.
My original RFP:
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I am looking for quotes on RDBMS products for the following scenarios:
Server Platform:
2x750 MHz Intel, running Linux or NT
DBMS:
Enterprise Edition or equivalent.
Scenario 1:
1 server, 1 location, 50 users.
Scenario 2:
1 server, 1 location, 400 users.
Scenario 3:
5 servers, different locations, with the following user counts:
200 users
100 users
40 users
40 users
20 users
Scenario 4:
1 server, serving up data for an internet-based web server.
I would also like information on:
· Annual maintenance costs
· Version upgrade costs and patch availabilities.
· Cost of a separate server which will serve up data for an
internet-accessible web server. Price for Enterprise and Non-enterprise
versions if applicable.
· Policies concerning maintaining backup systems, i.e. do we need a
separate license for a separate system that is intended only as a failover?
· Price of any recommended or required companion software that may not be
bundled with the RDBMS.
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Notes on the results that I got:
· All quotes are for "Enterprise Edition" versions of the RDBMS's.
"Workgroup" versions are available from all companies, and are considerably
less expensive. They typically are limited in the ability to replicate data
between servers. In the case of SQLServer, for instance, the 'Standard"
edition of SQLServer cannot do clustering and automatic failover. In the
case of Oracle, the "Workgroup" edition cannot do automatic replication of
data to other databases. There are also system and programming features
missing, such as partitioning and function-based indexes in Oracle.
· The Enterprise editions of DB2 and SQLServer come in unlimited-user
versions only. The Oracle Enterprise edition requires a minimum 50-user
purchase at our level, and "tops out" at about 300 users, after which it
make more sense to buy the unlimited-user version.
· All vendors require us to pay for a backup system. Only DB2 has a
somewhat cheaper price for the backup RDBMS license.
· DB2 and SQLServer charge per-cpu for the Enterprise editions. Oracle
charges per-cpu multiplied by clock speed. This means that if we later
upgrade to a newer server, we have to pay Oracle more money, even if the
software doesn't change.
· All vendors promise additional price breaks and other incentives, given
further "negotiations". It's very much a moving target.
· Oracle's support, although the most expensive, is also the most
comprehensive. The figures quoted for Oracle support are annual amounts.
No, I'm not kidding.
· The IBM annual support cost is ludicrously low, but I was unable to get
anyone to deviate from it. I suspect a rat.
· It's worth noting that, if we went with IBM, we would be able to purchase
the hardware and o/s from them as well, resulting in an "end-to-end"
support contract.
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Scenario Oracle Support Upgrades SQLServer
Support Upgrades DB2 Support
Upgrades
1 server, 50 users 38,675 8,508.50 Included 50,045
$245 per call 50-75%
of new price 54,864 672 $267.00/yr
1 server, 400 users 168,750 37,125 Included 50,045 $245
per call 50-75%
of new price 54,864 672 $267.00/yr
5 servers, user counts:
200 127,400 28,028 Included 50,045 $245 per call 50-75%
of new price
54,864 672 $267.00/yr
100 63,700 14,014 Included 50,045 $245 per call 50-75%
of new price
54,864 672 $267.00/yr
40 31,850 22,295 Included 50,045 $245 per call 50-75%
of new price
54,864 672 $267.00/yr
40 31,850 22,295 Included 50,045 $245 per call 50-75%
of new price
54,864 672 $267.00/yr
20 31,850 22,295 Included 50,045 $245 per call 50-75%
of new price
54,864 672 $267.00/yr
1 server, internet accessible 168,750 37,125 Included 50,045
$245 per
call 50-75% of new price 54,864 672 $267.00/yr
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Enjoy.
Dennis Taylor
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