Without the DBA knowing it.  Install a program that logs every keystork on all the DBA 
workstations.
And since you are at it, might as well install it on every computer within the 
company.  This way you can audit the CEO if you want.  :)

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/23/01 04:10PM >>>
maybe/maybe not, here is why,

if i'm going to make changes(and try not to get caught),i'd be granting update on 
table to someone else, change their password, login as them, change the password back 
and it would totally look like someone else did it.

If you can't trust the DBA, there is bigger problems than that at the organization.

joe


>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/23/01 03:43PM >>>
If it's really that bad, then we are talking about setting something up that
the DBA wouldn't know about!

I do not know if the logminer could help here!

Regards,

Waleed

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Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 1:36 PM
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Waleed,

    Regrettably in our 'legalistic' world this is not possible if all you
have
is a suspicion, you need facts to back them up.  And getting facts in this
case
can be very difficult at best.  What could be a solution in this case is
that
someone has a suspicion that this person is modifying data inside these
sensitive tables during some time frame.  Well it may be wise to send them
off
for a week to a training class where they would be isolated from the
database in
question.  If the alteration of data records ceases then there is probable
cause
for a more direct line of questioning, etc...  If not you may be suspecting
someone who is really a front for an other person who has acquired that
DBA's
password.  My first line would be to have all of the DBA's change their
passwords as well as the passwords for sys and system.

    I wonder, if I tried to connect to that database as
sys/change_on_install or
system/manager, would I succeed??

Dick Goulet

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If you don't trust the DBA then fire him!

DBA has access to do everything including the audit records which he/she can
modify easily!

Waleed

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Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 12:52 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


you'd better audit changes to the trigger, and then changes to SYS.AUD$

otherwise the DBA could disable the trigger, make the changes and re-enable 
it




>From: Dave Leach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: How do you audit a DBA?
>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:56:29 -0800
>
>Anyone who can help,
>
>I've been asked if Oracle can somehow audit the DBA ie. Raise an alert if
>the DBA were to execute DML statements against sensitive tables, this
>assumes the DBA has the SYS password.  I thought this was a pretty
>reasonable question but couldn't think of an answer.  My trail of though 
>was
>maybe an email alert to a designated member of staff sent via a trigger on
>the table.
>
>Any comments would be very appreciated.
>
>Dave Leach
>
>
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