Um, Kevin, if the shoe doesn't fit, then don't wear it.  :)

Not all developers are duhvelopers, in fact, most of the ones I know
are very good, but the ones that are duhvelopers require
so much attention that it kind of wears on you.  :)

And some of us DB-ehs can do just fine writing apps, thank you,
but we choose a path that requires less 'direction' from users.  ;)

Jared




                                                                                       
                                
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I have to say I resent being called a duhveloper, granted the majority
couldn't tune a banjo let alone tune a piece of SQL, but as a techie (and
we
all are), I find this list invaluable for getting advice on a wide range of
topics, not just keeping a DB up and running or tuned...I don't call you
guys names, and let's face it you DB-ehs? couldn't write a decent
application if your lives depended on it...

(blue touch-paper lit, retire a distance, do not re-approach once lit, and
wait for fireworks)


"hit any user to continue"
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no, those posts keep us "underworked" DBAs from killing the duhvelopers who

make us do the same thing over and over and over and who never listen when
we tell them the correct way to design the tables.

:)



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>Just look at the number of OT postings in the last couple of months...
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>          You're surprised at those willing to pay?
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