#include nose.brown.*
#include humble.pie.*
Rachel,
I would never, *ever* consider putting a design together without including a
DBA, that's suicidal! I can design a database, tables, constraints, triggers
etc, etc..but I always turn to the people that know in order to get accurate
sizings etc for growth as well as giving any desgins the once-over.
Ultimately I can't build an application without a decent back end and that's
were you guys come in ;-)
K.
"hit any user to continue"
__________________
Kevin Thomas
Technical Analyst
Deregulation Services
Calanais Ltd.
(2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
Tel: 0141 568 2377
Fax: 0141 568 2366
http://www.calanais.com
-----Original Message-----
Sent: 31 August 2001 14:17
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Kevin,
I programmed for 15 years before becoming a DBA 10 years ago. I may not be
able to program in the current toolset (but that's just learning curve
time). But I can for sure design an application that WORKS.
Just ask my developers (note spelling please). They've finally come to the
conclusion that it saves time to include me in the design phase of new
projects. And not just for help in designing tables. Hm, I see a possible
career change again for me.
Rachel
>From: "Thomas, Kevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: OT: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?
>Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 00:40:19 -0800
>
>LOL...with 31 systems to support 24/7/365 if you threw a stone in any
>direction you would hit a DBA. At the last count I believe we had 12...!!
>
>
>__________________
>
>Kevin Thomas
>Technical Analyst
>Deregulation Services
>Calanais Ltd.
>(2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
>Tel: 0141 568 2377
>Fax: 0141 568 2366
>http://www.calanais.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>Sent: 30 August 2001 17:22
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>Sounds like your company is looking for a new DBA? :-))))
>
>Jan Pruner
>
>Dne ?t 30. srpen 2001 17:26 jste napsal(a):
> > I have to say I resent being called a duhveloper, granted the majority
> > couldn't tune a banjo let alone tune a piece of SQL, but as a techie
>(and
> > we all are), I find this list invaluable for getting advice on a wide
>range
> > of topics, not just keeping a DB up and running or tuned...I don't call
>you
> > guys names, and let's face it you DB-ehs? couldn't write a decent
> > application if your lives depended on it...
> >
> > (blue touch-paper lit, retire a distance, do not re-approach once lit,
>and
> > wait for fireworks)
> >
> >
> > "hit any user to continue"
> > __________________
> >
> > Kevin Thomas
> > Technical Analyst
> > Deregulation Services
> > Calanais Ltd.
> > (2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
> > Tel: 0141 568 2377
> > Fax: 0141 568 2366
> > http://www.calanais.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: 30 August 2001 15:46
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >
> > no, those posts keep us "underworked" DBAs from killing the duhvelopers
>who
> > make us do the same thing over and over and over and who never listen
>when
> > we tell them the correct way to design the tables.
> >
> > :)
> >
> > From: "Boivin, Patrice J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: RE: !! Keeping the list alive
> > >Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 04:00:52 -0800
> > >
> > >Just look at the number of OT postings in the last couple of months...
> > >
> > >: )
> > >
> > >Patrice Boivin
> > >Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
> > >
> > >Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
> > >Technology Services | Services technologiques
> > >Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
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> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 7:58 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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> > >
> > > You're surprised at those willing to pay?
> > >
> > > You have to realize that most DBAs are over-payed and under-worked
> > >....
> > > <<ducking>>
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 1:43 PM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This list is apparently a more valuable resource to many of you
> > >
> > >than I
> > >
> > > > realized.
> > > >
> > > > I'm literally bowled over by the generosity. I've received
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> > > > about
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