Thanks for your help, Mark and Dennis
tks
Ramon E. Estevez
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De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]En nombre de Mark Leith
Enviado el: Tuesday, 25 September, 2001 8:20 AM
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Asunto: RE: Installing 8.1.7
I got a theory question.. Just because I'm not going to be putting it in to
practice myself really :0)
When using all of the below (LMT & UNIFORM EXTENTS, with the default
recommended extent sizes):
How do you determine the max size a table should be for a particular extent
size? Do any of you adopt a method of saying:
Right, once a table reaches 500 extents, then it should be moved to a larger
extent TS?
Mark
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WILLIAMS
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 21:11
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Ron - Sorry I wasn't clear. There are two alternatives for LMTs, automatic
and uniform. You are entirely correct that there are many possibilities.
Then I discovered the paper: "How to Stop Defragmenting and Start Living:
The Definitive Word on Fragmentation"
http://metalink.oracle.com/cgi-bin/cr/getfile_cr.cgi?239049
This certainly sounded GREAT to me (I found it through the Gennick paper you
reference). That mentions that Oracle has slightly different recommendations
for Oracle8i. I found an Oracle paper "Fragmentation and Data
Reorganization"
http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/availability/htdocs/fragment.html, which
contains the following statements:
Oracle has a number of recommendations:
First, set all the extents in a tablespace to the same size (to me
that says Uniform).
Second, . . . Choose tablespaces for segments based on three
recommended extent sizes, 128k, 4MB, or 128MB.
I believe that both papers are based on the same philosophy. At this point I
am basing my physical layouts based on these two papers, believing that this
represents the direction that Oracle is going. If you or anyone else has
more information to contribute, I am eager to listen.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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Dennis,
I know that Oracle lists 3 sizes for the LMTbut you can specify any size
extent if you do not use the "auto" feature. I have created a lot of
different LMT extent sizes for tables that are like in size and activity.
That way I have a better handle on the resources especually when the disks
are a premium. Why put an active table initial 50 K next 50 K in a 128K
tablespace. Why not manage the tablespace and make the extents 100 K?
>From the ORAMAG article:"The Autuallocate option allows
Oracle to take control of the extent allocation. Oracle will use extent
sizes of 64KB, 1MB, 8MB, and 64MB to manage space in the tablespace." The
table created in the tablespace will adapt the auto extent policy of the
tablespace and use increasingly larger extents as the table grows in size."
"Locally Managed Tablespaces"
by Jonathan Gennick. located at
http://www.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/00-nov/o60o8i.html
Just a thought.
ROR mª¿ªm
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Ramon -
1) How to find the ideal size of the extent for a locally managed
tablespace uniform size ?
Oracle is recommending only three extent sizes: 128k, 4m, and 128m. See
white papers at technet.oracle.com for further details on the new
philosophy.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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Hi folks,
Actually I have 8.0.5 and will install 8.1.7 in the weekend, and would like
to have somethings clear.
Actually I have just 2 tablespaces, but planning to make one for each
application system,
will be like 7.
Of course will make all kind of backups, cold, hot including redo logs,
password files, parameter files and archives.
What I am planning to do is make an export of the user owner of the all
objects and
make and import in the new DB.
1) How to find the ideal size of the extent for a locally managed
tablespace uniform size ?
2) As far as I know, not much, the import will create the same tablespaces
where the
objects exists in the old DB in the new DB. Now, if I use an alter
table move
tablespace to move the tables to the new LMT tablespace, will it use
the extent
size of the new TBS or will remain with the old one ?
3) I'm considering to recreate all the indexes.
4) Is it a good idea to have an TBS for each APP system ?
5) What are the consequences of having all of them with different extent
size ?
6) If by any chance some of them are going to have the same extent size
wouldn't be better to put them in one TBS ?
6) Any tips for sizing of the SGA, shared pool, log_buffers, sort_area_size
?
7) Planning make db_block_size 8k
8) My second step will be implement Forms Server, anything to include in
the
installation of have in mind from now ?
My DB is transactional, not that heavily, like 40 users, but like 12 of them
are remote.
Hardware
Compaq
2 Pentium III processor 800 mhz
6 Hard Drive 9.1 GB - raid 5
1 GB Memory
Win 2000 server
Thanks in advance and sure that your help will be very, very useful.
Ramon E. Estevez
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Dominican Republic
809-565-3121
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