Patrice,

    Since we're in the middle of a PeopleSoft implementation I can say that I
agree with the comments in the articles.  If you buy one of these prebuilt
packages you have the problem of either re-inventing your business or trying to
modify the package to meet your requirements.  Option 1 is troublesome at best
since you may well have to re-orientate people and practices from years of what
they were use to.  Ugly to say the least.  Now option 2 is more like skating on
paper thin ice.  PeopleSoft is 'modifiable' but there are a lot of other
ramifications that one has to think about, like upgrades.  The closer to 'plain
vanilla' you can stay the better.  The farther away you get, the less the vendor
supports you and the harder (and longer) upgrades become.  SAP and Oracle do not
lend themselves to modification.  SAP just because those Germans know best (so
I've been told by those with experience) and Oracle because it just plain does
not fit.  What are people doing, PeopleSoft or else roll your own.  Now Oracle
does make a decent tool set for the later in Designer and Developer.  Personally
I would prefer that they drop the apps and concentrate on the tools and
database.

Dick Goulet

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Author: "Boivin; Patrice J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:       4/9/2002 6:08 AM

If people aren't using SAP, Oracle Applications or PeopleSoft, what are they
using?
 
PlumTree portals?  Is that what they mean by Web services?
 


Regards, 
Patrice Boivin 
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) 

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http://www.infoworld.com/articles/ap/xml/02/04/08/020408aporacle.xml
<http://www.infoworld.com/articles/ap/xml/02/04/08/020408aporacle.xml> 

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I think this is good news, Oracle accepting these user groups.
 
It's probably the most cost-efficient, effective way for Oracle to get
honest feedback on how to improve their products.
 
The better their products, the more successful they will be it seems to me.
 
Regards, 
Patrice Boivin 
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) 

Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes 
Technology Services        | Services technologiques 
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story
<http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=581&ncid=738&e=2&u=/nm/2002
0409/tc_nm/tech_oracle_dc_7>
&cid=581&ncid=738&e=2&u=/nm/20020409/tc_nm/tech_oracle_dc_7
 
Cheers,
JoJo
 


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Analyst</FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> <FONT face=Arial 
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