John,

We have the Hitachi 5800 series with RAID 5. The sales guys also said
their system is
"soooo fast we need not worry about such minor details". Don't believe
them!!! Write speed is "SLOW". After we added bare drives for redo log
files, archive logs, & conrtol files it made a dramatic difference in DB
performance. Hitachi & some Sa's don't want to set up RAID 1+0 because
it makes more work for them than a RAID 5 install.

HTH
...JIM... 

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Hi all,

We are running both a Hitachi 7700E and a 9960 disk subsystem here and
we
are getting ready to move our production DBs from the old(7700E) to
the
new(9960) Hitachi.      We have had trouble in the past on the 7700E
due to
disk contention and layout, i.e. we weren't striped across the array
groups
very well.... this caused pretty poor I/O performance.        This has
been
a learning experience for the DBAs and the SAs here for the logical
vs.
physical aspects of our disks.      Anyway, to make a long story short,
we
are ordering disk for the move to the 9960 and we have 2 choices in
disk
sizes - 18GB and 73GB, and 2 choices in RAID - 1+0 and 5.     I would
like
to get the smaller, faster 18GB drives in a RAID 1+0 configuration and
stripe our data across the array groups as wide as possible.    
However, I
am running into objections from the Hitachi people that their system
is
"soooo fast we need not worry about such minor details".   I'm having
a
hard time believing that given our I/O problems on the 7700E. 
Performance
is given a high priority here.

What I would like to know is others' experience with disk subsystems -
specifically Hitachi but EMC and others as well....   have you been
able to
"throw the disk in and forget it" or have you had success in getting to
the
dirty details?      Have you tested or noticed an improvement with
smaller,
faster drives in a disk subsystem like the Hitachi or have you
traveled
that path and found no noticeable improvement?      I'm looking for
either
a) ammunition that my view is correct, or b) I'm wrong and we can get
bigger drives which will make Enterprise Planning very happy from a
$$$
standpoint because our Hitachi capacity will last longer.

We are running Oracle 8.1.7 / AIX 4.3.3 / Peoplesoft Financials version
8.
2 production databases , one 400 GB and the other about 1TB.     We've
got
some other production DBs but these are our big guys.

Thanks in advance for any and all input - any help is greatly
appreciated.
I'd be happy to share any info we have found up to this point and our
experiences on the 7700E as well if anyone is interested - despite the
fact
I will probably bore you to death   :-)

John Dailey
Oracle DBA
ING Americas - Application Services
Atlanta, GA



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