you can ask... and if you actually TRUST the answers I give, well, you
are insane

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> questions 
> and  not RTFM :-)
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> Rachel Carmichael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>         Subject:        RE: Data Warehouse experts, a simple question
> for you| Outdated?
> 
> 
> Dennis,
> 
> I have on my desk, all in varying stages of being read: 
> Inmon's book Building the Data Warehouse (very understandable)
> 
> Kimball's articles from his site and from the
> Intelligententerprise.com
> site (somewhat understandable, I think you need a base from which to
> read his articles). His books are on order and should arrive today
> 
> Tim Gorman's book Essential Oracle8i Data Warehousing (this I haven't
> started, as Tim tells me to read it AFTER I have a basic
> understanding
> of data warehousing)
> 
> The Oracle8i Data Warehousing documentation (actually pretty readable
> and understandable)
> 
> Ya think I might be over-researching this stuff and panicking a bit?
> 
> Rachel
> 
> --- DENNIS WILLIAMS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ian, 
> > 
> >   - In the beginning was the data warehouse and yeah it was good.
> It
> > would
> > solve all corporate problems and would encompass all corporate data
> > so all
> > corporate minions would see the same data.
> >   - But yeah it took so long to create the corporate data warehouse
> > that
> > management despaired and canceled the project. Or by the time the
> > monster
> > data warehouse came blinking and straining into the daylight all
> the
> > users
> > said that the company had evolved in the meanwhile and the
> warehouse
> > was
> > obsolete.
> >   - So data warehouses gained a bad rep from corporate managers and
> > yeah
> > none would fain to propose the conception of a data warehouse for
> > fear of
> > castigation.
> >   - Then some marketing interns bribed a DBA to send them data
> > weekly. And
> > they stored this data in a database and lo, their superiors were
> > impressed.
> >   - Everyone was in awe of the marketing database, but none dared
> > tarnish it
> > by speaking the name which shall not be mentioned, so it was
> > christened a
> > "data mart".
> >   - And lo, the data marts multiplied and were fruitful. And the
> DBA
> > cursed
> > the day she was weak and did give data to the marketing interns.
> >   - Then another prophet did arise and did challenge the prophet
> > Kimball.
> > His name was Inmon. And he did claim to be the progenitor of data
> > warehouses. And therefore all should do data warehousing his way
> and
> > use his
> > terms.
> >   - And great confusion arose over the land. And many debates
> ensued,
> > including some face to face between Inmon and Kimball. And terms
> such
> > as
> > Operational Data Store (ODS) were bandied about.
> >   - And some said that queries against the ODS were acceptable and
> > others
> > deemed them forbidden. And some said that if it looks like a data
> > warehouse
> > and smells like a data warehouse it verily indeed is a data
> > warehouse.
> >   - And consultants warred against consultants and did call the
> other
> > consultants ignoramuses in front of management such that nobody
> knew
> > what
> > anybody was talking about.
> >   - And the DBAs said that creating a data warehouse or data mart
> was
> > not
> > nearly as hard as figuring out what to call it.
> > 
> > The moral of the story is to figure out what you need to do and be
> > aware
> > that different authors use the same terms for different purposes
> and
> > coin
> > their own terms. Personally, I have understood everything that
> > Kimball has
> > written and have never been able to read one of Inmon's articles to
> > the end.
> > But maybe that is just me.
> > Dennis Williams
> > DBA
> > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 2:38 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Outdated?
> > 
> > 
> > Ian,
> > 
> > Good question.  I think that I've seen more recenct references in
> > articles
> > that state the current thinking of DW/DM.  I'm sure that I've seen
> > Inmon
> > refer to them that way, or maybe it was Richard Winter?
> > 
> > Anyway, I guess that part is a bit dated.  There is so much good 
> > information
> > in that book though, that it's still worth its weight in gold.  You
> > won't 
> > find too many
> > publications for $60 that will take you step by step through
> building
> > an 
> > entire
> > data warehouse, including the infrastructure.
> > 
> > Jared
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 05/21/2002 05:48 PM
> > Please respond to ORACLE-L
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> > 
> >         To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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> >         cc: 
> >         Subject:        RE: Data Warehouse experts, a simple
> question
> > for
> > you| Outdated?
> 
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