you can ask... and if you actually TRUST the answers I give, well, you are insane
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > And that means we can all now ask Rachel our Datawarehousing > questions > and not RTFM :-) > > Cheers > > > -- > ================================================= > Peter McLarty E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Technical Consultant WWW: http://www.mincom.com > APAC Technical Services Phone: +61 (0)7 3303 3461 > Brisbane, Australia Mobile: +61 (0)402 094 238 > Facsimile: +61 (0)7 3303 3048 > ================================================= > A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. > > - Walter Bagehot (1826-1877 British Economist) > ================================================= > Mincom "The People, The Experience, The Vision" > > ================================================= > > This transmission is for the intended addressee only and is > confidential > information. If you have received this transmission in error, please > delete it and notify the sender. The contents of this e-mail are the > opinion of the writer only and are not endorsed by the Mincom Group > of > companies unless expressly stated otherwise. > > > > > > > Rachel Carmichael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 23-05-2002 11:13 PM > Please respond to ORACLE-L > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: > Fax to: > Subject: RE: Data Warehouse experts, a simple question > for you| Outdated? > > > Dennis, > > I have on my desk, all in varying stages of being read: > Inmon's book Building the Data Warehouse (very understandable) > > Kimball's articles from his site and from the > Intelligententerprise.com > site (somewhat understandable, I think you need a base from which to > read his articles). His books are on order and should arrive today > > Tim Gorman's book Essential Oracle8i Data Warehousing (this I haven't > started, as Tim tells me to read it AFTER I have a basic > understanding > of data warehousing) > > The Oracle8i Data Warehousing documentation (actually pretty readable > and understandable) > > Ya think I might be over-researching this stuff and panicking a bit? > > Rachel > > --- DENNIS WILLIAMS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ian, > > > > - In the beginning was the data warehouse and yeah it was good. > It > > would > > solve all corporate problems and would encompass all corporate data > > so all > > corporate minions would see the same data. > > - But yeah it took so long to create the corporate data warehouse > > that > > management despaired and canceled the project. Or by the time the > > monster > > data warehouse came blinking and straining into the daylight all > the > > users > > said that the company had evolved in the meanwhile and the > warehouse > > was > > obsolete. > > - So data warehouses gained a bad rep from corporate managers and > > yeah > > none would fain to propose the conception of a data warehouse for > > fear of > > castigation. > > - Then some marketing interns bribed a DBA to send them data > > weekly. And > > they stored this data in a database and lo, their superiors were > > impressed. > > - Everyone was in awe of the marketing database, but none dared > > tarnish it > > by speaking the name which shall not be mentioned, so it was > > christened a > > "data mart". > > - And lo, the data marts multiplied and were fruitful. And the > DBA > > cursed > > the day she was weak and did give data to the marketing interns. > > - Then another prophet did arise and did challenge the prophet > > Kimball. > > His name was Inmon. And he did claim to be the progenitor of data > > warehouses. And therefore all should do data warehousing his way > and > > use his > > terms. > > - And great confusion arose over the land. And many debates > ensued, > > including some face to face between Inmon and Kimball. And terms > such > > as > > Operational Data Store (ODS) were bandied about. > > - And some said that queries against the ODS were acceptable and > > others > > deemed them forbidden. And some said that if it looks like a data > > warehouse > > and smells like a data warehouse it verily indeed is a data > > warehouse. > > - And consultants warred against consultants and did call the > other > > consultants ignoramuses in front of management such that nobody > knew > > what > > anybody was talking about. > > - And the DBAs said that creating a data warehouse or data mart > was > > not > > nearly as hard as figuring out what to call it. > > > > The moral of the story is to figure out what you need to do and be > > aware > > that different authors use the same terms for different purposes > and > > coin > > their own terms. Personally, I have understood everything that > > Kimball has > > written and have never been able to read one of Inmon's articles to > > the end. > > But maybe that is just me. > > Dennis Williams > > DBA > > Lifetouch, Inc. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 2:38 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Outdated? > > > > > > Ian, > > > > Good question. I think that I've seen more recenct references in > > articles > > that state the current thinking of DW/DM. I'm sure that I've seen > > Inmon > > refer to them that way, or maybe it was Richard Winter? > > > > Anyway, I guess that part is a bit dated. There is so much good > > information > > in that book though, that it's still worth its weight in gold. You > > won't > > find too many > > publications for $60 that will take you step by step through > building > > an > > entire > > data warehouse, including the infrastructure. > > > > Jared > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 05/21/2002 05:48 PM > > Please respond to ORACLE-L > > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > cc: > > Subject: RE: Data Warehouse experts, a simple > question > > for > > you| Outdated? > === message truncated === > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/octet-stream name=STG05064 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! 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