Until you die or stop learning. Their synonyms for each other. Dick Goulet
____________________Reply Separator____________________ Author: "Mohammad Rafiq" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 5/30/2002 1:23 PM 100% agreed with the goddess.... No one claim that he knows everything about Oracle specially with so much functionality is being introduced in different version of Oracle databases and Oracle Financials Application...Working with Oracle Products since 1988 , I am still learning everyday new things from this fantastic list of all DBA gurus regardless we treat ourselves as Senior DBA or otherwise. The fact is, learning is a continous process.... Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 12:07:45 -0800 by your definition I would say no one is a senior dba... there is too much in Oracle for one person to know it all, so every DBA, no matter how experienced, is going to ask for help if they are facing something new. I wouldn't say asking for help means you aren't senior. I consider people like Cary, Gaja, Tim, Steve, etc etc (all the Oak Table members) as well as a large number of people on this list as senior. Yet I also see them asking questions on occasion. One doesn't wipe out the other Senior DBA to me is a DBA who can not just research the docs and websites but who is able to THINK. This means putting together varied and assorted pieces of seemingly unrelated information to solve a problem. The ability to see a larger picture and to understand it. Rachel --- Kevin Lange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would rather make the definition be about Experience and abilities > other > than Salary (Although Management does not exactly understand that ) . > > Look at it this way .... > Just because someone is getting paid the most, does not mean they > know the > most. Also, just because someone has been around the most, does not > mean > the know the most. > > I would not expect a Jr. DBA to work on their own. They need to be > guided > in the right way to do things. > After the Jr. progresses to the point where they can work on their > own .... > but still need the help of someone else in learning new items ....I > would > call them a Mid Level. > To me , a Sr. DBA is one how needs no guidance .. knows where to find > all > the information themselves, is self-sufficient in their work. > > If you look at this definition , there are not that many Srs. about. > Many > of the folks who are designated Sr., are more like high mid Levels. > > As always ... just my opinion. > > Kevin > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:10 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Salary !!!!! > > Yechiel Adar > Mehish > ----- Original Message ----- > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 8:08 PM > > > > Hello: > > Out of curiosity how would you classify a Jr. DBA, a Mid Level DBA, > and a > > Sr. DBA? I know how our HR department makes the division but would > be > > interested in knowing how other people might classify the > differences. > > > > Regards, > > Jay > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: Jay Wade > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > > San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing > Lists > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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