I'd like to ask another question. Hope you don't mind... How did you get a job in Switzerland/Germany/Holland? How is market and demand there? I know a year or two ago Germany was screaming for dba/programmers. Is it still the case or times changed?
-----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 10:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L europ Nicht nur in Zurich. No, they aren't. But if you don't know conventions in Switzerland you will be surprised. :-) JP On Tuesday 11 June 2002 16:58, you wrote: > >Be warned: If you're american, you might get a culture shock regarding > >unfriendly and pushy people. > > does that mean that the people in Zurich ARE unfriendly and pushy? > > --- Stefan Jahnke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Andy > > > > I can only give you some information about the Duesseldorf area in > > Germany > > and the Zuerich area in Switzerland. > > > > D'dorf: > > > > As a combined sys admin / dba with 6 years experience, I guess you > > can > > expect about 60000 Euros per year. > > If you want more, you have to be extraordinarily good. If you are > > not, you > > might have to accept less. I assume > > you're talking about a permanent position here. > > Cost of living is pretty high. You can expect to pay LOADS of taxes > > (IRS is > > really greedy here ;). Housing should > > be about 800 Euros for a 70 square meter apartment (but not downtown, > > that's > > exponentially more expensive unless > > you're really lucky). Food and clothing is also pretty expensive. My > > wife > > and I spend about 600 Euros per month on > > food. If you need a car, you'll have to pay a lot for insurance and > > tax > > (really varies, depending on the size of the engine > > and how likely it is to be stolen;). Public transportation is a good > > alternative. > > > > Zuerich: > > > > As for Switzerland, multiply the housing and food cost by 2 and there > > you > > are ... easy. > > Public transportation is perfect plus you pay less tax. You also can > > expect > > the salary > > here to be about 30% higher then in Germany, so that makes up for it. > > > > Be warned: If you're american, you might get a culture shock > > regarding > > unfriendly and pushy people. > > > > I guess Amsterdam is comparable (just guessing). > > > > Regards, > > Stefan > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Andrey Bronfin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 12:13 > > An: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Betreff: off topic: anyone form Amsterdam, Holland / other major > > european > > > > > > Hi ! > > Sorry for this off topic posting. > > > > I will probably be offered a "Solaris sys admin / Oracle DBA" > > position in > > Amsteram, the Netherlands. > > Unfortunately , i have no idea of what order of magnitude salary > > should i > > get / request. > > I have 6 years of experience in the field. > > So i wanted to ask the list memebers ( who are from Amsterdam or > > other major > > European cities , which is compatible to Amsterdam in terms of costs > > of > > living / salaries) a couple of questions: > > > > what would be a reasonable salary for a relocating person of my > > qualifications ? > > > > What is the living cost there , i.e. an appartment to rent , food , > > leisure, > > travel , taxes ,etc.. ? > > > > How does Amsterdam compares price-wise to other Dutch cities and to > > other > > European capitals ? > > > > Thanks a lot in advance to everybody who will respond either directly > > to me > > or to the list. > > > > Cheers. > > > > P.S : Please forgive me if this off topic question bothers you ;-) > > > > > > > > DBAndrey > > > > * 03-9254520 > > * 058-548133 > > * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: Andrey Bronfin > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > > San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing > > Lists > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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