Yes, it is still the case. You still can get relatively easy an IT job in Germany.
I get my job in Switzerland in 97 through personal contact, but worked as "reine oekonomische Director". So I don't know how is IT market there. Sorry. Jan Pruner On Tuesday 11 June 2002 19:13, you wrote: > I'd like to ask another question. Hope you don't mind... How did you get > a job in Switzerland/Germany/Holland? How is market and demand there? I > know a year or two ago Germany was screaming for dba/programmers. Is it > still the case or times changed? > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 10:54 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > europ > > Nicht nur in Zurich. > > No, they aren't. > But if you don't know conventions in Switzerland you will be surprised. :-) > > JP > > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 16:58, you wrote: > > >Be warned: If you're american, you might get a culture shock regarding > > >unfriendly and pushy people. > > > > does that mean that the people in Zurich ARE unfriendly and pushy? > > > > --- Stefan Jahnke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Andy > > > > > > I can only give you some information about the Duesseldorf area in > > > Germany > > > and the Zuerich area in Switzerland. > > > > > > D'dorf: > > > > > > As a combined sys admin / dba with 6 years experience, I guess you > > > can > > > expect about 60000 Euros per year. > > > If you want more, you have to be extraordinarily good. If you are > > > not, you > > > might have to accept less. I assume > > > you're talking about a permanent position here. > > > Cost of living is pretty high. You can expect to pay LOADS of taxes > > > (IRS is > > > really greedy here ;). Housing should > > > be about 800 Euros for a 70 square meter apartment (but not downtown, > > > that's > > > exponentially more expensive unless > > > you're really lucky). Food and clothing is also pretty expensive. My > > > wife > > > and I spend about 600 Euros per month on > > > food. If you need a car, you'll have to pay a lot for insurance and > > > tax > > > (really varies, depending on the size of the engine > > > and how likely it is to be stolen;). Public transportation is a good > > > alternative. > > > > > > Zuerich: > > > > > > As for Switzerland, multiply the housing and food cost by 2 and there > > > you > > > are ... easy. > > > Public transportation is perfect plus you pay less tax. You also can > > > expect > > > the salary > > > here to be about 30% higher then in Germany, so that makes up for it. > > > > > > Be warned: If you're american, you might get a culture shock > > > regarding > > > unfriendly and pushy people. > > > > > > I guess Amsterdam is comparable (just guessing). > > > > > > Regards, > > > Stefan > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > > Von: Andrey Bronfin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 12:13 > > > An: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Betreff: off topic: anyone form Amsterdam, Holland / other major > > > european > > > > > > > > > Hi ! > > > Sorry for this off topic posting. > > > > > > I will probably be offered a "Solaris sys admin / Oracle DBA" > > > position in > > > Amsteram, the Netherlands. > > > Unfortunately , i have no idea of what order of magnitude salary > > > should i > > > get / request. > > > I have 6 years of experience in the field. > > > So i wanted to ask the list memebers ( who are from Amsterdam or > > > other major > > > European cities , which is compatible to Amsterdam in terms of costs > > > of > > > living / salaries) a couple of questions: > > > > > > what would be a reasonable salary for a relocating person of my > > > qualifications ? > > > > > > What is the living cost there , i.e. an appartment to rent , food , > > > leisure, > > > travel , taxes ,etc.. ? > > > > > > How does Amsterdam compares price-wise to other Dutch cities and to > > > other > > > European capitals ? > > > > > > Thanks a lot in advance to everybody who will respond either directly > > > to me > > > or to the list. > > > > > > Cheers. > > > > > > P.S : Please forgive me if this off topic question bothers you ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > DBAndrey > > > > > > * 03-9254520 > > > * 058-548133 > > > * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > > -- > > > Author: Andrey Bronfin > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > > > San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing > > > Lists > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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