My personal favorite. 

If you want pretty charts, learn Perl and use DBD::Chart.
Amazingly easy to do.

Jared

On Friday 21 June 2002 06:48, Loughmiller, Greg wrote:
> Alternative to Crystal: The "Cheap Man's Reporting when you have no
> capital/software budget"
>
> sql*plus formatting via Unix scripts to html format    :-)
>
>
> greg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 3:43 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Also thing big $$$$$$$$$$.
> Business Objects is much more expansive.
>
> Yechiel Adar
> Mehish
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>
> > Business Objects is good although the learning curve is pretty big.
> > Although it is like anything and you have to watch the SQL statements
> > that are used.  We had a client bring there production system to its
> > knees with
>
> a
>
> > few poorly designed reports.
> >
> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: Re:RE: Alternative to Crystal Reports
> > >Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:18:42 -0800
> > >
> > >Chris,
> > >
> > >     Until some fool gives the general user this tool as a general
>
> purpose
>
> > >query
> > >tool.  Then all hell breaks out.
> > >
> > >Dick Goulet
> > >
> > >____________________Reply Separator____________________
> > >Author: "Bowes; Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Date:       6/20/2002 1:33 PM
> > >
> > >I have yet to see something that I cannot do in Crystal Reports.
>
> However,
>
> > >I
> > >don't write the reports off of tables, I use stored procedures to query
>
> and
>
> > >process the records and return cursors to the crystal report.  That way
>
> all
>
> > >the data is massaged and pre-formed and the report is but a "template".
> > >When done this way, you can send in parameters to determine what to do
>
> with
>
> > >the data before it gets to the report.  I'll have the same query with
> > >differing where clauses and use something like if i_date is not null
> > > then use query one which has a date range find else use query2 which
> > > ignores date.  Or you can create a query of groups and summaries and
> > > send it to Crystal and Crystal will look at each summarized record as
> > > if it was just another record from the base.  Using stored procedures,
> > > you can do
>
> unions,
>
> > >summaries, calculated fields, dummy fields, literals, etc and crystal
> > > can handle it no problem.  It is quite robust when done this way.
> > >
> > >--Chris
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >____________________Reply Separator____________________
> > >Author: "Steve McClure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Date:       6/20/2002 10:17 AM
> > >
> > >Several times in the past I have seen folks on this list refer people to
>
> a
>
> > >reporting product to use as an alternative to Crystal reports.
>
> Apparently
>
> > >I
> > >didn't think I would need it, cause I usually save posts with
> > > information
>
> I
>
> > >am likely to forget.(So Yeah, I do save a lot of posts)  Well now
> > > Crystal is
> > >being touted here as a possible solution for a new client's reporting
> > >requirements.  We have been unable to convince Oracle Reports to perform
>
> in
>
> > >the way we would like, so we need an alternative.  The good thing is
> > > that the new client is a large one, so my company will actually be able
> > > to invest
> > >in a nicer product.
> > >
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> > ><P><FONT SIZE=2>I have yet to see something that I cannot do in Crystal
> > >Reports.&nbsp; However, I don't write the reports off of tables, I use
> > >stored
> > >procedures to query and process the records and return cursors to the
> > >crystal
> > >report.&nbsp; That way all the data is massaged and pre-formed and the
> > >report is
> > >but a &quot;template&quot;.&nbsp; When done this way, you can send in
> > >parameters
> > >to determine what to do with the data before it gets to the
> > > report.&nbsp; I'll
> > >have the same query with differing where clauses and use something like
>
> if
>
> > >i_date is not null then use query one which has a date range find else
>
> use
>
> > >query2 which ignores date.&nbsp; Or you can create a query of groups and
> > >summaries and send it to Crystal and Crystal will look at each
> > > summarized record
> > >as if it was just another record from the base.&nbsp; Using stored
> > >procedures,
> > >you can do unions, summaries, calculated fields, dummy fields, literals,
> > >etc and
> > >crystal can handle it no problem.&nbsp; It is quite robust when done
> > > this way.</FONT></P>
> > >
> > ><P><FONT SIZE=2>--Chris</FONT>
> > ></P>
> > ><BR>
> > ><BR>
> > ><BR>
> > >
> > ><P><FONT SIZE=2>____________________Reply
> > >Separator____________________</FONT>
> > ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>Author: &quot;Steve McClure&quot;
> > >&lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]&gt;</FONT>
> > ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>Date:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 6/20/2002
>
> 10:17
>
> > >AM</FONT>
> > ></P>
> > >
> > ><P><FONT SIZE=2>Several times in the past I have seen folks on this list
> > >refer
> > >people to a</FONT>
> > ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>reporting product to use as an alternative to Crystal
> > >reports.&nbsp; Apparently I</FONT>
> > ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>didn't think I would need it, cause I usually save
> > > posts with
> > >information I</FONT>
> > ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>am likely to forget.(So Yeah, I do save a lot of
> > >posts)&nbsp;
> > >Well now Crystal is</FONT>
> > ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>being touted here as a possible solution for a new
> > >client's
> > >reporting</FONT>
> > ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>requirements.&nbsp; We have been unable to convince
>
> Oracle
>
> > >Reports to perform in</FONT>
> > ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>the way we would like, so we need an alternative.&nbsp;
> > >The
> > >good thing is that</FONT>
> > ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>the new client is a large one, so my company will
>
> actually
>
> > >be
> > >able to invest</FONT>
> > ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>in a nicer product.</FONT>
> > ></P>
> > >
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> > ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>-- </FONT>
> > ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>Author: Steve McClure</FONT>
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