Andrey I think it is important to understand the situation from the vendor's point of view. That will lead to more accurate predictions of their future behavior. At this point, I feel Linux has great momentum behind it, virtually guaranteeing its success, and your statement about vendors splashing it all over their Web pages is evidence of that momentum. Someone made the comment that there were lots of non-Linux systems in place. That is true, but the vendors don't make much money from existing systems. Only new systems drive revenue, which is why we tend to get cranky with Oracle for paying more attention to potential customers that to we loyal supporters. As I recall, Sun was one of the last Unix vendors to "embrace" Linux. And it was severely criticized for being behind the other major vendors. My suspicion is that Sun's support at this stage is more of the lip service variety. Has anyone had a Sun salesperson try to talk them into implementing Linux instead of Solaris? IBM has provided the most Linux support of any of the major vendors. However, AIX hasn't developed the market share of Solaris. My suspicion is that IBM's undeniably genuine support of Linux is not so much altruism, but "anything that hurts Microsoft". Again, I'm just speaking to market momentum. I can recall the time when Unix was considered "not ready for prime time". Vendors were putting their dollars into proprietary systems. Then, HP broke from the pack, de-emphasized their bread-and-butter proprietary O.S. and made a sincere commitment to Unix. They wound up as a major Unix vendor, while their competitors ended up as historical footnotes. Sun should pay careful attention to that experience. For Oracle, my guess is that their goal is to use Linux to look modern and open and hope nobody asks why they are spending $40k/processor for Oracle and getting the Linux O.S. for free.
Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 10:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L "Good bet that smaller Unix vendors will run to Linux before vendors like Sun do." Not exactly , just look at homepages of sun , ibm , oracle . There are more appearences of the word "linux" there than any word in Britannica ;-) DBAndrey * 03-9254520 * 058-548133 * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- Sent: Mon, July 15, 2002 4:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jared - Good point. In addition, other costs to an independent Unix vendor are: - Staff costs of a large development staff. This cost doesn't vary, regardless of the number of customers. Therefore, vendors with a small market share have proportionally higher costs. - Costs of attracting software vendors. If the Unix version has a large market share, application software vendors (like Oracle) will gladly port their product to your O.S. However, if your market share is low, vendors are reluctant to support your O.S. Then you are trapped in the chicken-and-egg syndrome (similar to "nobody will give me a job because I don't have experience, but how can I get experience without a job"). Good bet that smaller Unix vendors will run to Linux before vendors like Sun do. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 12:53 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I'm sure that many vendors welcome an opportunity to stop paying royalties to AT&T for unix code. I believe that all mainstream vendor implementations of unix have AT&T base. Jared On Sunday 14 July 2002 11:58, Andrey Bronfin wrote: > hi ! > i might start another war , but i can't resist a part of me which wants to > ask : > what do you , seasoned gurus, think of everybody's (as it seems to be) > plans to abandon the "classic" unix for linux ? > In particular , most database vendors (as well as other enterprise software > vendors) name linux as the future #1 platform for their DBs (especially > given the fact that a DB cluster is not rare any more). > It also looks like many development shops shift their efforts to develop on > windows (or , in some rare cases, linux ) instead of unix . > What do you think about this ? > > > DBAndrey > > * 03-9254520 > * 058-548133 > * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Andrey Bronfin INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
