I start those discussions with "are you SURE you want to depend on me being ethical and honest as your security policy?"
--- Tim Gorman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree that the "glory" is in tuning, but I also think > backup/recovery gets > a sufficient amount of respect. It's nice now that advocating RMAN > isn't > considered snake-oil... > > Where I get funny looks these days is when I discuss database > security. I > try to defuse the tension by quoting the old saw about "just because > you're > paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you", but people still > fidget > and look away in pity as if I've lost my mind. I asked two audiences > recently how many people utilize the SYSOPER role, and only one > person in > the second audience raised his hand. Similar effect if you ask about > password management... > > ...I have to admit that some of the scarier folks are the ones who > agree > totally, though... :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:28 PM > > > > mkb, you're right, the "glory" is in tuning nowadays, but i beg to > > differ, since if you can't/won't do recovery when the chips are > down, > > then the point is moot. > > > > I specialize in backup/recovery but getting damagement to think its > > important today when the db is running fine, is tough. Its only > when > > its time to do recovery does damagement all of a sudden think its > important. > > > > Joe > > > > > > mkb wrote: > > > > >Ok, I need to vent a little. > > > > > >Last week, I was asked to do some tech interviews over > > >the phones for a mid level DBA position. Someone with > > >about 2-3 years experience. > > > > > >I don't consider myself a real smart DBA, nor do I > > >think that I ask particularly tough questions. The > > >questions that I ask potential candidates are soley > > >based on what is on the resume. So I figure if > > >someone has, say, hot backups or SQL tuning on their > > >resumes, I'd expect them to be able to hold a fairly > > >intelligent conversation about these topics. No such > > >luck! > > > > > >What really frustrated me, and what I really want to > > >get out of my system, is that nobody that I talked to, > > >had a real good concept of hot backups. Forget about > > >recovery. I asked each and every candidate who > > >claimed to have done hot backups, just give me a high > > >level overview of how you do a hot backup. Don't care > > >about syntax, just give me the mechanics. The answers > > >I got were completely off base, baffling and > > >frustrating. Some of these folks claimed to have 5 > > >years experience!!! > > > > > >'Well, we use scripts to do these, so I'm not sure how > > >these are done...' (But it says on your resume you've > > >done this???) > > > > > >'Oh, I take the tablespace offline, and copy the > > >datafile to tape...' (Unless I'm mistaken, that's not > > >how a hot backup is done, right?) > > > > > >'Well, I use the export utility, and as the backup > > >starts, it is written to the dump file.' (Huh? What?) > > > > > >'During this time, everything is written to the redo > > >logs and not to the tablespace...' (You've been > > >reading one of those books, haven't you?) > > > > > >I also asked them how they'd put a tablespace in > > >backup mode. Simple enough, right? Not one of them > > >got it right. Not even close. Didn't have clue as to > > >what I was talking about. Fair enough, you don't > > >know. Well how about a simple recovery scenario. I > > >asked every candidate how they would do an online > > >recover of a datafile while the database was still in > > >use. No ideas. Not even close. > > > > > >I dunno, perhaps I'm spoilt by being a member of this > > >list? Perhaps I expect every candidate to be as > > >knowledgeable as you guys? Perhaps I'm asking too > > >much? > > > > > >Rant over. Thanks for listening. > > > > > >mkb > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Yahoo! 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