I wanted to take a picture with him..... .. and take him out to lunch to learn from his experience ... ;-) but it turned out he lasted only for less than a week... ;) (Some developers he was working with knew a bit more Oracle than him)
- Kirti -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 11:49 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Let's see, 1 table with 700+ columns that can grow to ~1GB that you want to iot and have in the keep pool. What are you smoking! That's one consultant that I'd HAVE to laugh in his/her face. And he/she would NOT get away with it. Dick Goulet ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Author: Rachel Carmichael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 10/11/2002 7:19 AM it's all in the buzzwords, obviously :) --- "Deshpande, Kirti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We were asked, not too long ago, to create one Oracle8i database with > only > *one* table with some 700+ columns. While at it, the consultant > (hired by > end user dept) also suggested that we make it an IOT using an LMT, > and since > the table will never grow over 1GB, asked if there was a way to put > it in > KEEP buffer pool. He was helping re-write/enhance some MS Access > Apps. > > Talk about knowing all the right lingo... ;) > > - Kirti > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 8:59 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > April, > > What can I say? Ouch! I feel your pain. I've been trapped in some > pretty ridiculous situations too. (Though, I think you have me beat! > A > 37 column primary key?? Really??) Well, you at least seem to have > the > proper attitude. ;-) Without a sense of humor, I'm afraid you'd go > insane in short order! ;-) > > The only other thing I can think of when people shut you down like > that > is: document. "At meeting X, on such and such a date, I identified > this > problem, and Mr. Z told me to not to worry about it." It may not > help, > but from a sanity point of view, there is a certain amount of > satisfaction in "I told you so!", even if you never verbalize > it....;-) > > Hang in there, > > -Mark > > On Fri, 2002-10-11 at 08:43, April Wells wrote: > > Mark... > > > > If this were the MOST serious design flaw in the whole mess, I > wouldn't > care > > so much. There is a point where you just shut up (gee, I have been > TOLD > to > > do that in meetings) and wait till it breaks (or worse, one of our > clients > > buys it and we have to TRY to implement). I am the funny one... > the one > to > > laugh at and make fun of because I keep trying to tell them that > you can't > > do things. You can't have a totally denormalized Oracle table if > there > 1500 > > columns in it... yes queries will fly on a table that can't be > built. You > > can't have 37 columns in a primary key. Date really isn't an > acceptable > > name for a column. > > > > April Wells > > Oracle DBA > > Keep yourself well oiled with life, laughter, new ideas and action. > > Otherwise you will rust out. _Anonymous > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:34 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Hi Dick, > > > > I have to disagree with you here. Particularly in the case where > this > > sequence will see any sort of concurrency, from multiple concurrent > > sessions accessing it. This is due to the serialization on the SQ > > enqueue. This will cause far worse scalability issues than any > I/O. > > Not that I/O is insignificant, but in this situation, serialization > on > > the enqueue will be the real showstopper for scalability. > > > > As to losing the cached values, well, so what? If your design is > such > > that it's important to have an unbroken contiguous sequence of > numbers > > with no gaps, then I would argue that is a serious design flaw. > Also, > > if that's your requirement, then a sequence is not appropriate, > since it > > can and will end up causing gaps, the first time you roll back a > > transaction. > > > > Finally, as to sequences losing cached values, unless your instance > > crashes or does a shutdown abort, Oracle should not loose any > sequence > > values. > > > > -Mark > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2002-10-10 at 18:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Actually there is no IO penalty since Oracle has to treat the > sequence > > just like > > > any table with the old LRU algorithm. I have several sequences > with a > > cache of > > > 0 and they perform as well as those with a cache value. The big > > difference is > > > when you shut down the database and all of those cached values > end up in > > the > > > trash. > > > > > > Dick Goulet > > > > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > > > Author: "Yechiel Adar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: 10/10/2002 1:38 PM > > > > > > I think that you will have an update to the sequence number EVERY > time > > instead > > > of every 20 times. That's mean I/o for every nextval. > > > > > > Yechiel Adar > > > Mehish > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Tim Gorman > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:43 PM > > > Subject: Re: sequence numbers > > > > > > > > > CACHE 20 is the default, so if you remove the clause, it will > have > > absolutely > > > no impact on performance or anything else... > > > > > > ...of course, I get the feeling that that wasn't the gist of > your > > question, > > > was it? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: April Wells > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:54 AM > > > Subject: sequence numbers > > > > > > > > > I have been given create scripts for sequences to be used in > tables > > that > > > will be loaded via bulk loads. How huge is the potential > performance > hit > > if I > > > take out the cache 20? > > > > > > April Wells > > > Oracle DBA > > > There is neither good nor bad, but thinking makes it so. > -Shakespeare > > > > > > > > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> > > > <HTML><HEAD> > > > <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" > http-equiv=Content-Type> > > > <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=GENERATOR> > > > <STYLE></STYLE> > > > </HEAD> > > > <BODY bgColor=#ffffff > > > style="FONT: 10pt Times New Roman; MARGIN-LEFT: 2px; MARGIN-TOP: > 2px"> > > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>I think that you will have an update > to the > > > > sequence number EVERY time instead of every 20 times. That's mean > I/o > for > > every > > > nextval.</FONT></DIV> > > > <DIV> </DIV> > > > <DIV>Yechiel Adar<BR>Mehish</DIV> > > > <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr > > > style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; > MARGIN-RIGHT: > > 0px; > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services --------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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