Tony, come out of the woodwork more often!
By standby I mean Oracle's standby database, now named DataGuard. since this *is* a running database and can be opened for read access in 8i and read/write (with logical standby running) in 9i, it's another license. And I have no objection to it be charged as that. Although I'd like to see the charge for the physical standby be less, since the database is not normally in use. I agree, if Oracle is not running, then there shouldn't be a charge. Rachel --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi Rachel > > Good to hear from you. I am always on the list. Just being > a lurker. > > I am surprise that you are paying for a standby if the standby > DB is not being used at the same time as the Pri. > > By standby, do you mean something like Oracle replication or > Dataguard > where you are using Oracle's utility to replicate? > This client of mine does not use any Oracle's features to > replicate but a filesystem replication to another server. > Oracle is not even up on the Standby server. So why should > the pay for the standby licence? > > ta > tony > > At 02:53 AM 16/01/2003 -0800, Rachel Carmichael wrote: > > >Tony, > > > >Good to see your fingerprints here! > > > >I had always gone on the theory that I would need at least two of > the > >licenses, one for production and one for the standby server. I > hadn't > >thought about one for the DR site, on the theory, that since DR was > up > >and running ONLY when production was not, it was the same > "software". I > >had had that information from my Oracle sales reps as well. > > > >Now it seems I'll have to go back to my IT operations people and > have > >them verify that we are in compliance with the licensing. Or that > they > >are ready to fight it. We do have an overall company license (Sony > is a > >fairly large user) so I don't know how that affects our licensing as > >well. > > > >I hadn't realized that as an Oracle DBA I also had to be a lawyer! > > > >Rachel > >--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Hi All > >> > >> For those sites with either a standby, DR or failover database, > >> the following information is very important to you. You could be > in > >> breach of Oracle's Licensing agreement and could cost you > $100,000s > >> if not millions $$ > >> > >> (Read the summary at the end if you want to skip the details) > >> > >> In the last issue of Select, I wrote that with Oracle's new > >> Failover policy you now need not purchase two sets of Oracle > licences > >> (one for the production server and the other for the Standby > server) > >> if the standby server was not activated for more than 10 days in a > >> calender year. > >> > >> This was based on the following information I received > >> FAILOVER POLICY > >> > >> Oracle recognizes that customers may require very infrequent and > >> limited use > >> of their failover server. To address this use, we are modifying > the > >> current > >> failover policy, which currently requires a full use of the > Database > >> on any > >> failover server. Effective today, Oracle allows Oracle Database > >> licensed > >> users to load the database in main memory on an unlicensed spare > >> computer > >> for up to a total of ten separate days in any given calendar year. > >> Any use > >> beyond the right granted in the previous sentence must be licensed > > >> separately. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> So, in this instance if you have DataGuard, it implies that > >> failing over to the 2nd box while the primary is down is OK > >> with one license. Right? WRONG. > >> > >> Since the article, Oracle has come out with more clarifications > >> as a lot of people were querying about the definitions and > >> legalities. > >> > >> The confusion is with the definition of STANDBY vs FAILOVER. > >> > >> Here is an extract of a correspondence from Oracle: > >> There have been a number of changes recently to our policies and > >> licencing requirements for backup/standby databases. This email > is > >> to clarify the new policies. > >> > >> The following is on page 19 of the current Software Investment > Guide, > >> which can be downloaded from eSource and oracle.com: > >> > >> Backup/Failover/Standby - Oracle differentiates between 3 methods > of > >> database recovery: > >> Backup - In this type of recovery, database files of the primary > >> database are stored on tape media. In this type of environment, > >> Oracle permits customers to store a back up copy of the database > data > >> on storage devices, such as tapes, without purchasing additional > >> licenses. > >> Failover - In this type of recovery, nodes are configured in > >> "cluster;" the first installed node acts as a primary node. If the > >> primary node fails, one of the nodes in the cluster acts as the > >> primary node. In this type of environment, Oracle permits licensed > >> Oracle Database customers to run the Database on an unlicensed > spare > >> computer for up to a total of ten separate days in any given > calendar > >> year. Any other use requires the environment to be fully licensed. > >> Additionally, the same metric must be used when licensing the > >> databases in a failover nvironment. > >> Standby - In this type of recovery, a copy of the primary database > is > >> maintained on a separate server at all times. These systems are > >> configured for disaster recovery purposes. If the primary database > >> fails, the standby database is activated to act as the new primary > >> database. In this environment, both the primary and the standby > >> databases must be fully licensed. Additionally, the same metric > must > >> be used when licensing the databases in a standby environment. > >> You should note from the above that these are Oracle's > definitions, > >> and your customer may have a different understanding of the terms > >> backup, failover and standby. The important concept is the 3 > >> different methods of recovery - offline storage, clustered nodes > >> operating on a Storage Array Network, and a copy of the database > >> maintained on a separate server. > >> The offline storage (Backup) does not require additional licences. > > >> The clustered nodes (Failover) do not require additional licences > if > >> the spare node is used for no more than ten separate days per > >> calendar year. > >> Where a copy of the database is maintained on a separate server > >> (Standby), that server must be licenced as though it were a > >> production server. If the production server is licenced by > >> Processor, the standby server must also be licenced by Processor. > If > >> the production server is licenced by Named User Plus, the number > of > >> Named User Plus licences must cover at least the minimum licencing > >> requirement for both production and standby servers. The minimum > is > >> 25 Named User Plus per processor. > >> Recovery systems that fall into the Failover category include > Oracle > >> Failsafe, Veritas Cluster Server, IBM HACMP, Sun Cluster, HP > Service > >> Guard and Microsoft MSCS. > >> > >> Recovery systems that fall into the Standby category include > Oracle > >> Data Guard and remote 'mirroring' solutions such as EMC SRDF, > Veritas > >> Volume Replicator and Sun StorEdge. > >> > >> I attach some slides which provide further clarification. Note > that > >> on the 'Licencing Rules' slide we define our licencing as it was > pre > >> September 2002, and as it is now post September 2002, so please > don't > >> confuse the two. Also note that these slides are labelled Oracle > >> Internal Confidential - they are for your education and not for > >> giving to customers. The Software Investment Guide is the > >> documentation we give to customers on our policies. > >> > >> If you have any questions on this material please contact me. > >> > >> NAME DELETED > >> I think that stinks. And Stink big time. The big O is not going > to > >> win > >> this one. Why should you pay for two sets of Oracle S/W if your > DR > >> site is never used. > >> And when it is used, the primary is dead anyway. > >> So you only have one copy running at any one time. > >> > >> For detail information, goto: > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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