Dan and Stephen, Glad to see a balance in the debate.
I haven't been involved with the board as such but from the paper scoring side of things it all looks very fair to me. Each year we get hundreds of papers to evaluate based on very strict criterias. We have not had directives from TUSC or any other organization to influence our decisions. Further, there are usually a few people involved in scoring the same set of papers so that we can get a concensus on the rankings and not just one person's opinions. Cheers, Leng. ---------------------------------------------------------- Leng Kaing Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +61-417-371-348 ---------------------------- From: "Karniotis, Stephen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:34:10 -0500 Subject: RE: Teradata banned from IOUG??? My turn to chime in. First, thank you Mr. Fink for a great email. How true your statements are. Second, let me state that TUSC has no involvement in the selection of any presentations for Live! As a senior member of the conference committee, there are over 30 (yes thirty) volunteers that read and review each and every abstract sent into the IOUG website. No one from TUSC is involved in this process. So you will ask how TUSC has 31 presentations at IOUG Live! 2002? The answer is elementary. TUSC is a recognized leader in the ability of their employees to deliver quality presentations. Just because you are a technical person with lots of knowledge does not mean that you know how to convey it to an audience. Ever listened to Bill Gates or Andy Mendelson? Their presentations are horrible, but they are very knowledgeable. Now, we also didn't do our own audit last year when the presentations were selected. This year the restrictions are in place. You will not see this type of occurrence again. In fact, the TUSC folks asked to not present at much. SO, if you are going to complain, submit quality abstracts. Submit realistic abstracts and keep submitting. Ari, please chime in if you want. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Product Architect Compuware Corporation Direct: (248) 865-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.compuware.com -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 1:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Teradata banned from IOUG??? Well said Dan. Jared On Tuesday 18 February 2003 09:30, Daniel W. Fink wrote: > IOUG is a volunteer organization. If you don't like something about it, > you can change it from the inside by becoming involved. Remember, the > Board Of Directors election is currently open and it is a way to voice > your opinion. Also, send feedback about things you don't like, offer > solutions and offer to assist in making the change (the most > important!). Don't like the articles in SELECT? Offer to write one or be > an editor. Don't like the content on the website? Become a tip miner. > > IOUG-A Live is also volunteer run. Speakers are volunteers, many of the > workers are volunteers. As a speaker, the amount of time (and expenses I > pay for myself as do many others) spent on the papers and presentation > is high. I think it is worth it, as long as I can help 1 person be a > better technician. I try to make the paper and presentation as accurate > and helpful as I can. In the past, I have had no support (financial or > otherwise) from my employers in attending/speaking at conferences, but I > consider it worth my time. If you don't like the lineup of speakers, > submit for next year. > > For those who are attendees, it is important to show support to the > speakers you respect and the topics that interest you. How many of you > fill out the session evaluations? Do you rate the presentations on > entertainment value or meaningful content? Do you encourage other people > to attend the 'good' presentations? Do you fill out the conference > evaluation? > > Our local user group has seen Oracle's involvement decrease drastically > over the past few years. Recently, thanks to an excellent Oracle > contact, who is a long time contributor to our organization, we are > meeting together to find ways to help each other. Of course, the sales > folks want to know "How many new $$$ can we get by pitching new products > at meetings?" (strictly forbidden at our meetings if it parades as a > technical session). We are finding creative ways to get the groups > together, such as having Oracle host a SIG meeting in exchange for a > brief sales pitch at the beginning, establishing a specific Vendor track > at our annual Traning Days. Attendees know that the intent of the > pitch/presentation and they also know that the technical sessions will > be technical and not marketing. > > IOUG can survive without Oracle, TUSC or myself. The question is whether > or not that is for the best. Oracle and TUSC employees can provide some > great sessions and information. They can also provide fluff and bad > information. If we provide constructive feedback, the organization will > either change or begin losing membership and disappear. > > Dan Fink > > Peter Barnett wrote: > >It seems to me that IOUG has become a wholly owned > >subsidiary of TUSC. TUSC in turn has an incestuous > >relationship with Oracle. All very cozy. > > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Kaing, Leng INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services --------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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