Jonathan, I understand the frustration. One other point occurs to me. Irrespective of the title of the IOUG-A presentation (content yet unknown), Rich has only really published one book (with another due out soon) though I see his name as co-author on another book by Joe Trezzo as well (but have heard no complaints about Joe's book). Rich's book was published in 1999, almost 4 years ago.
I'd wager to say that the discussions on wait state tuning had not quite gained the presence that is has now. Lots of authors back in 99 were still tuning the BHR as a principle means of tuning a database. Right or wrong, thats just the way it was I think. Yet, I don't see their names dragged across ORACLE-L like Rich's is. I think a great deal has changed since then, but old books don't tend to morph... they just reflect the times.... Cheers! Robert Robert G. Freeman Technical Management Consultant TUSC - The Oracle Experts www.tusc.com 904.708.5076 Cell (It's everywhere that I am!) Author of several books you can find on Amazon.com! -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Robert, I agree, personal attacks are inappropriate and fairly pointless. On the other hand, I do sympathise with the people who are irritated by the divergence between Rich Niemiec's claims to be one of the best, and the poor, even dangerous, work that he publishes. Please note, I do not believe he is trying to mislead his readers into dangerous or unsuitable areas, but the combination of his claims to expertise, past reputation, and generally sketchy comments can easily persuade individuals to 'try option X' simply because Rich has written a few lines which say "option X exists and this is an example from the manuals". The question has to be asked, therefore, where is the forum for questioning the material published by a "guru" and if there is one, how do you avoid crossing the line between criticising the material and criticising the person ? Personally, I don't mind if Rich thinks he's one of the best in the world; but I'd far rather see him publish a lower quantity and higher quality - his present output does not do his reputation credit. Regards Jonathan Lewis http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk Coming soon one-day tutorials: Cost Based Optimisation Trouble-shooting and Tuning Indexing Strategies (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/tutorial.html ) ____UK_______March 19th ____USA_(FL)_May 2nd Next Seminar dates: (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/seminar.html ) ____USA_(CA, TX)_August The Co-operative Oracle Users' FAQ http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/faq/ind_faq.html Freeman Robert - IL wrote: > I must admit that I'm a bit tired of the Rich/TUSC bashing here. I've > written and canned two rather terse responses to personal attacks > against Rich. If you want to disagree with his position on BHR, go for > it, I have no problem with that. In fact, I'm not sure I *know* what > his current position is, and will attend his presentation to find out > (I suppose I could ask him since I will be at the office tomorrow). > > Personal attacks really are pointless. I would APPRECIATE IT if they > would cease. > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jonathan Lewis INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services --------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Freeman Robert - IL INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services --------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
