Didn't the UK outsource their IT function to EDS? Patrice.
-----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 1:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L You should try the UK. The government seems to be actively encouraging this sort of thing. I think they see short term gains to be made from cheap labour. That seems very short-sighted to me but it's typ[ical of the set of losers we're saddled with. -----Original Message----- Sent: 14 August 2003 16:34 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This makes me puke. ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:04 AM > I know of one Fortune 50 company (US) that has a local division that has > fired all of their programmers at least at that location. All's done in > India with e-mail, web, and teleconfrencing. > > Rich > > Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Leith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:54 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: OT -- Boston Globe job listings > > > > > > Ken, > > > > With the amount of companies I talk to (in a sales-critter > > role) you would > > actually be surprised at how many people ARE doing exactly this! > > > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > > KENNETH JANUSZ > > Sent: 14 August 2003 16:45 > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Dennis: > > > > With respect to sending production DBA positions to India, et > > al. I don't > > think companies are very included to do this because of > > security concerns > > and the confidentiality of the information stored in the DB. > > It's not a > > good idea to open your DB's to the entire world. > > > > Ken > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:24 AM > > > > > > > Ken - Since you've recently changed jobs, your upbeat attitude is > > > encouraging. I think you've made a good point that jobs > > aren't always > > > advertised. Another point is that when there are more jobs > > than available > > > candidates, companies have to advertise strongly to fill > > their positions. > > > When there are more candidates than available jobs, > > companies often find > > > that people are seeking out the opening before they post it. > > > > > > Patrice - Look at what happened over the previous years. In 1999 > > > corporations spent wildly on I.T. (naturally when the > > catastrophe didn't > > > occur because of the tireless efforts of I.T. people, the senior > > executives > > > felt the money was wasted). Then when spending would have naturally > > > declined, the dot-com madness stuck and things went wild. I > > think we are > > > just about to come out of the natural down cycle due to the > > extravagant > > > dot-com spending. But now I keep seeing articles about how much > > development > > > work is being sent overseas. Has anyone seen that affect > > Oracle DBA work > > > yet? > > > > > > Dennis Williams > > > DBA > > > Lifetouch, Inc. > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:14 AM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > I don't think it has as much to do with no available > > positions (although > > > that is part of the answer) as most medium to large > > companies don't use > > > newspaper ads anymore. They are using the internet (especially for > > > technical jobs) and are signed up with Monster, BrassRing, > > etc. to do > > their > > > recruiting for them from their own company web sites. I've > > seen this > > > definite shift here in the Minneapolis / St. Paul, MN area > > over the past > > > couple of years. Most of these companies also provide > > e-mail service that > > > sends you an email when a job is posted that meets your > > specs. So, why > > > waste your time on newspaper ads that only appear every Sunday? > > > > > > My $0.02 worth, > > > > > > Ken Janusz, CPIM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:34 AM > > > > > > > > > > I've been keeping an eye on the Boston Globe's Oracle DBA > > job postings, > > > two > > > > years ago it wasn't uncommon to see eight or more per > > week, now I tend > > to > > > > see one or two, or none. > > > > > > > > For a while they also announced big IT job fairs, I don't > > know if they > > > still > > > > do that or how successful they now are. > > > > > > > > The market has really shrunk in two years! > > > > > > > > There can't be a huge glut of DBAs out there looking for > > work... It > > must > > > be > > > > a reduction in demand because companies are not making big > > infrastructure > > > > changes anymore. > > > > > > > > Patrice. > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Jesse, Rich > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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