Re: OT -- Boston Globe job listings

[Joe Testa]

Steve taking that a bit further, you're important enough to be doing 
wireless email in caribbean, remind me to NOT be that way IF i ever grow 
up :)

joe

Orr, Steve wrote:

I'm ideologically opposed to almost anything that obstructs free trade,
even if it directly affects my personal economy, income and career. It's
a global economy and other industries (e.g. auto mfgrs., textiles,
agriculture, etc.) have had to adapt or cope so why shouldn't we? What
makes us think we're so special or should be exempt? If someone can do
your job better and cheaper than you is it their fault? The best
protection is not in trade legislation but in being competitive and
providing a good service with value. If your job merely involves
"interfacing" with computers via an online session then it really
doesn't matter where you are. That can be both good and bad depending on
your circumstance.
Steve Orr, disciple of Adam Smith...

Virtually present in Bozeman, MT but actually operating from my laptop
via wireless connection while sunning at the beach on a heretofore
undisclosed Carribean Isle.


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Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:34 AM
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This makes me puke.

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I know of one Fortune 50 company (US) that has a local division that 
has fired all of their programmers at least at that location.  All's 
done in India with e-mail, web, and teleconfrencing.

Rich

Rich Jesse                           System/Database Administrator
[EMAIL PROTECTED]                  Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA
   

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Leith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:54 AM
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Subject: RE: OT -- Boston Globe job listings
Ken,

With the amount of companies I talk to (in a sales-critter
role) you would
actually be surprised at how many people ARE doing exactly this!
Mark

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KENNETH JANUSZ
Sent: 14 August 2003 16:45
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Dennis:

With respect to sending production DBA positions to India, et
al.  I don't
think companies are very included to do this because of 
security concerns
and the confidentiality of the information stored in the DB.  
It's not a
good idea to open your DB's to the entire world.

Ken

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Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:24 AM
     

Ken - Since you've recently changed jobs, your upbeat attitude is 
encouraging. I think you've made a good point that jobs
       

aren't always
     

advertised. Another point is that when there are more jobs
       

than available
     

candidates, companies have to advertise strongly to fill
       

their positions.
     

When there are more candidates than available jobs,
       

companies often find
     

that people are seeking out the opening before they post it.

Patrice - Look at what happened over the previous years. In 1999 
corporations spent wildly on I.T. (naturally when the
       

catastrophe didn't
     

occur because of the tireless efforts of I.T. people, the senior
       

executives
     

felt the money was wasted). Then when spending would have 
naturally declined, the dot-com madness stuck and things went 
wild. I
       

think we are
     

just about to come out of the natural down cycle due to the
       

extravagant
     

dot-com spending. But now I keep seeing articles about how much
       

development
     

work is being sent overseas. Has anyone seen that affect
       

Oracle DBA work
     

yet?

Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:14 AM
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I don't think it has as much to do with no available
       

positions (although
     

that is part of the answer) as most medium to large
       

companies don't use
     

newspaper ads anymore.  They are using the internet (especially 
for technical jobs) and are signed up with Monster, BrassRing,
       

etc. to do
their
     

recruiting for them from their own company web sites.  I've
       

seen this
     

definite shift here in the Minneapolis / St. Paul, MN area
       

over the past
     

couple of years.  Most of these companies also provide
       

e-mail service that
     

sends you an email when a job is posted that meets your
       

specs.  So, why
     

waste your time on newspaper ads that only appear every Sunday?

My $0.02 worth,

Ken Janusz, CPIM

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Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:34 AM
       

I've been keeping an eye on the Boston Globe's Oracle DBA
         

job postings,
     

two
       

years ago it wasn't uncommon to see eight or more per
         

week, now I tend
to
     

see one or two, or none.

For a while they also announced big IT job fairs, I don't
         

know if they
     

still
       

do that or how successful they now are.

The market has really shrunk in two years!

There can't be a huge glut of DBAs out there looking for
         

work...  It
must
     

be
       

a reduction in demand because companies are not making big
         

infrastructure
     

changes anymore.

Patrice.
         

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