I quite agree with you Robert. I love Orion..and tell everyone I know to use
it becuase of its great performance, features and so on. Lately though I
haven't seen either Karl or Magnus on IRC chatting, nor have I seen an email
in the list from them on any regular basis. I know myself and a few others
are offering a good set of frameworks to be shipped with Orion and haven't
heard a response in over a week of submitting the proposal. The frameworks
would benefit Orion in that it would be like the big boys..offering more
than just an app server. We would fully document them, support them, and
they are open-source, so unlike Orion, if anything goes wrong, they are
fixable by the ones using it. I quite agree that Orion should make source
available for the use of allowing us to fix bugs if they crop up, and submit
them for the Orion team to examine and if its a good fix, put it in the next
build. This would require more people however..managing a product like Orion
with lots of bug fixes coming in, merging them, testing them and so on..that
would require alot of managing, and I get the feeling Magnus and Karl would
rather write code than integrate fixes from many other people.
On the other hand, for the original poster..I don't think you'll find a
better Servlet/JSP engine, in terms of performance anyways. I think Orion
has one of the fastest most stable web server engines around.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robert Krueger
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 4:51 AM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: Re: Anyone using Orion in production? [long]
>
>
> At 11:12 24.11.00 , you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I'd like to know, is anyone currently using Orion in a production
> >environment? The rather high number of issues people report here bothers
> >me because I'd like to get serious with a particular EJB server and my
> >opinion was that Orion was the right choice because of it's low cost and
> >features.
> >In addition, I'd like to know if Orion's HTTP server is suitable for
> >production work, I really would like to have a unified
> environment instead
> >of having a separate web server for my JSPs and servlets.
>
> yes, we've been using it for the past 6 months in production (mainly
> content management and ecommerce) with over 10 different j2ee
> applications
> extensively using servlets, ejb (lots of cmp) so I think I can say that I
> know what I'm talking about. it's a two-edged sword. as you mention, the
> integration of having one consistent all-java j2ee environment is
> of great
> value and orion's deployment concept is very logical and well-designed.
> however there are some serious issues with a number of parts of
> the server
> (check the archives for JMS and a number of issues regarding
> exclusive-write-access settings as examples) some of which have
> brought us
> in very awkward situations, many times having to work around them with a
> lot of effort. I would say that in some areas orion is production
> ready, in
> some it's not well-tested at all. do extensive testing and if
> every feature
> you use works, buy it. it's a great deal for the price. however,
> there is a
> substantial risk involved that you may run into a serious bug in a
> situation when you least need it and then you might be helpless with no
> source and maybe no fix available for a few weeks/months (been
> there). I'm
> not saying this to bash evermind (I sympathize a lot with them actually)
> but I'm simply speaking from experience to help other people make an
> informed decision as I would expect them to do if I asked about a
> product I
> don't know yet.
>
> my personal opinion on this is that evermind should deliver source (while
> retaining full rights on enhancements and bug fixes) with the product to
> eliminate that risk. other commercial projects like orbaccus
> (http://www.ooc.com) have shown that they still make a lot of
> money despite
> shipping source for more than five years now. I'm sure about 80% of the
> bugs our team has reported would have been fixed by us immediately or at
> least would have been accurately described to the line of source
> code that
> has to be changed.
>
> I've brought this up to karl and magnus but they don't want to do
> this and
> it simply is their baby and therefore their decision (they probably think
> I'm either a parrot or insane, repeating the same stuff over and
> over again
> ;-).
>
> It's only for that (having been helpless in many situations when we least
> neded it), that we are seriously considering moving to jboss as soon as
> their cmp support has met a certain level of quality, although
> their server
> is inferior to orion in many regards, especially as far as the overall
> integration is concerned. BUT their main architects/developers take the
> time to answer user questions on their user list every day and if
> there is
> a small bug (one or two line fix typically) you can just make it
> and submit
> it instead of spending 10 times as much effort assembling a test case to
> submit it to the developers. Don't get me wrong. I'm not talking of
> open-sourcing the project in the sense that I want to tell them how to
> develop the server because they are best at it. It's all about
> fixing (many
> times silly) bugs which can make your life hell if a project deadline is
> approaching and you simply cannot do anything about it and a workaround
> involves a lot of effort.
>
> I very much hope the situation with orion will improve because it's great
> product with no equivalent in functionality/price ratio at the moment.
>
> any other orion users have an opion on that?
>
> regards,
>
> robert
>
>
> >Regards,
> >
> >Paul
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