Thank you for pointing me out to the site again, and I do love that site. The article
on Uncle Gates not liking open source is interesting. It could be due to a government
decision in September to allow government sites to bid on open source (I think the
announcement is www.mysql.com, under NASA headlines). I find just the opposite
position was taken when someone from Gates company complemented the Perl and Python
usage for their net products (www.activestate.com, a while back). Does that mean
Uncle Bill embraces open source, when it is to the advantage of Microsoft, but fronds
on it when it affects the bottom line? At least one good thing about J2EE technology
-- it helps to give Gates some competition.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Archer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 9:31 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Cc: Kemp Randy-W18971
Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet??
As the lower cost and open source products continue to mature, we may see
prices come down. Check out The server side today.
http://www.theserverside.com
JIm
--On Tuesday, February 13, 2001 6:37 PM -0600 Kemp Randy-W18971
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't knock the higher priced products, and they do have the lion's
> share of the market, and many large companies run big applications on
> them. Personally, I feel as many low price (Orion) and open source
> (jboss, etc.) mature, more people will ride that path. Look at the
> history of Apache, and now 60 % of the world's servers run it.
> Developers see that the low priced and open source options are maturing
> and proving themselves. It's just a matter of time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Konstantin Polyzois
> To: Orion-Interest
> Sent: 2/13/01 6:56 AM
> Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet??
>
> "Weblogic (and the high priced products like Websphere) are great..."
>
> Speaking as someone who has done development using Websphere (3.0 &
> 3.02):
> It sucks! Don't use it for anything but JSP or servlets. It has so many
> flaws that I don't even want to get in to them!!
>
> /korre
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kemp Randy-W18971
> To: Orion-Interest
> Sent: 2001-02-12 13:58
> Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet??
>
>
> Weblogic (and the high priced products like Websphere) are great, if you
> want to pay the price. They come with nice tools like front end gui's,
> good documentation, paid support, etc. But if you look for the opinions
> of developers who have used these products, and compared them to Orion,
> jboss, etc., they would say the EJB capacies are no better then the
> other high priced products. In order of ranking, here's how I look at
> the other products.
> 1 Orion -- This product is ready now, but I haven't seen anyone from
> this list run a Sears store on it.
> 2. Jboss (www.jboss.org) -- The founders are very bright, have five
> hundred developers on the projects, have EJB heavies contributing to the
> list, and it's a very easy to use product. Personally, even though it
> is ready for production now, I would wait for it to mature a bit more.
> It's like a fine wine -- drink it now, and it is OK, or allow it to age
> a bit then drink it (like jboss 3.0 final).
> 3. Openejb (www.openejb.org) - this project has a very bright and well
> known person heading it, and it is slated to be intergrated with Tomcat
> and Apache. It has yet to prove itself, as it is not yet ready for
> production release. But it has good future promise.
> 4. Jonas (www.evidian.com/jonas) - This is a good product, but it is not
> as advanced as the other two open source products and I don't think they
> have as many people behind them.
> 5. Enhydra enterprise (www.enhydra.org). If you like the enhydra
> application server, this product has potential. But it is not
> production ready yet and it intergrates with the jonas server.
> In summary, Orion is here now but can it run Sears? Jboss is ready
> but I would let it mature a bit more for production environments.
> Openejb and Enhydra have great potential, but they are not ready yet and
> have to prove themselves. Jonas is OK but I prefer the other open
> source alternatives.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony W. Marino
> To: Orion-Interest
> Sent: 2/11/01 9:06 AM
> Subject: Re: Any news from Orion yet??
>
> On another note, can you and/or someone, qualify/quantify what you mean
> by
> the following previously made statement :
>
> "For the most part, Orion is still very much ahead of the pack, and the
> speed is stil EXCELLENT."
> ?
>
> In the Apache Tomcat list I asked the following question:
>
> "Can someone suggest to me what Apache and/or other OpenSource products
> could
> be integrated to compete with functionally and/or considered in the same
>
> category as BEA WebLogic?
> I don't necessarily need all of what BEA has to offer at this time,
> however,
> I would like to know, generally, what it would take to get there without
> the
> big $$$$$ price tag."
>
> Thank You,
> Anthony
>
> On Monday 15 January 2001 15:20, you wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Jason Boehle wrote:
>> > WL6 has support for EARs. They also support all of the EJB 2.0 spec
>> > except for dependent objects. In fact, I am currently using WL6 for
>> > development instead of Orion, due to the apparent lack of
> development
>> > going on in the Orion team on EJB 2.0. I had suggested to my boss
> that
>> > we use Orion, as I had been lurking and following it for several
> months,
>> > and saw that it always met the latest specs first, etc. - now I feel
> dumb
>> > for doing so, as they haven't had a new release in several months...
>>
>> Of course, this is a little unfair - weblogic hadn't had a new release
> for
>> several months, either. They've just had a major release recently,
> which
>> makes it seem like they're more active than Orion, when that's not
>> necessarily the case. It might be, but that's not implied by the
> situation
>> at present.
>>
>> For the most part, Orion is still very much ahead of the pack, and the
>> speed is stil EXCELLENT. While I'm very much looking forward to a new
>> round of released bug fixes, I'm still waiting for some things to
> shake
>> out before I abandon ship.
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Santosh Kumar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:57 AM
>> > To: Orion-Interest
>> > Subject: Re: Any news from Orion yet??
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi kevin,
>> > As far as i have known WL5.1 or <, there is no concept of
> ear
>> > files, does 6.0 include
>> > that. Doesn't the J2EE mandate (I am not sure!) the use of EAR =
> WAR +
>> > JAR + CAR(or JAR)?
>> > To deploy the JPS1.1.1 on Orion, it is a piece of cake, while
> deploying
>> > on WLS, i have to
>> > unpack the EAR files and dis-integrate them which is contrary to the
>> > essence of packaging the ear files,
>> > Even meddling with the ugly weblogic.properties frustrates one and
> all.
>> > Is that true with all WLS users?
>> >
>> > Orion is a neat impl of J2EE, is WLS6.0?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Santosh.
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Kevin Duffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: Orion-Interest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:07 PM
>> > Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet??
>> >
>> > > I am not one to advocate another product, but WL6 looks nice. It
> is
>> > > easy
>> >
>> > to
>> >
>> > > work with compared to WL5.1. Orion is still the best. JBoss looks
> very
>> > > interesting as well.
>> > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Neville
>> > > > Burnell
>> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 2:26 PM
>> > > > To: Orion-Interest
>> > > > Cc: Orion-Interest
>> > > > Subject: FW: Any news from Orion yet??
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Yes - pls Orion people, publish some news & update Orion ...
>> > > >
>> > > > We are looking to buy at least 3 licences over the next few
> weeks if
>> > > > everything is ok
>> > > >
>> > > > Cheers
>> > > >
>> > > > Neville Burnell
>> > > > Business Manager Software
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: Duffey, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> > > > Sent: Sunday, 14 January 2001 12:45 PM
>> > > > To: Orion-Interest
>> > > > Subject: Any news from Orion yet??
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi all,
>> > > >
>> > > > Has anyone heard from the team lately? I know I saw a post about
> a
>> > > > month or
>> > > > so ago. Its been about 3 or 4 months since anything has changed
> on
>> > > > their site, if not longer and now its getting me worried. I can
>> > > > understand them
>> > > > trying to organize the company, but did production stop on the
> app
>> > > > server? I
>> > > > wish there was some news once every couple of weeks or so from
> them
>> > > > on their
>> > > > site letting us know what is happening.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks.
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>> Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
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I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
- Robert Frost, 1916
